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  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     OP - August 26, 2014, 05:12 PM

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    Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds

    Prof Alexis Jay: "It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse the child victims suffered"

    At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.

    Children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated, it said.

    The report, commissioned by Rotherham Borough Council, revealed there had been three previous inquiries.

    Council leader Roger Stone said he would step down with immediate effect.

    Mr Stone, who has been the leader since 2003, said: "I believe it is only right that as leader I take responsibility for the historic failings described so clearly."

    “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist”
    Professor Alexis Jay

    The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.

    'Doused in petrol'
    Professor Alexis Jay, who wrote the latest report, said there had been "blatant" collective failures by the council's leadership, senior managers had "underplayed" the scale of the problem and South Yorkshire Police had failed to prioritise the issue.

    A victim of sexual abuse in Rotherham told BBC's Panorama: "I was a child and they should have stepped in"
    Prof Jay said: "No-one knows the true scale of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham over the years. Our conservative estimate is that approximately 1,400 children were sexually exploited over the full inquiry period, from 1997 to 2013."

    Revealing details of the inquiry's findings, Prof Jay said: "It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered."

    The inquiry team found examples of "children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone".

    Five men from the town were jailed for sexual offences against girls in 2010, but the report said police "regarded many child victims with contempt".

    Ch Supt Jason Harwin said victims had been "let down"

    District Commander for Rotherham, Ch Supt Jason Harwin said: "Firstly I'd like to start by offering an unreserved apology to the victims of child sexual exploitation who did not receive the level of service they should be able to expect from their local police force.

    "We fully acknowledge our previous failings."

    Ch Supt Harwin said the force had "overhauled" the way it dealt with such cases and had successfully prosecuted a number of abusers.

    But he admitted: "I accept that our recent successes... will not heal the pain of those victims who have been let down."

    'Racism' fear
    The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so."

    “It should have been stopped and prevented”
    Isabel Abuse victim

    Failures by those charged with protecting children happened despite three reports between 2002 and 2006 which both the council and police were aware of, and "which could not have been clearer in the description of the situation in Rotherham".

    She said the first of these reports was "effectively suppressed" because senior officers did not believe the data. The other two were ignored, she said.

    The inquiry team found that in the early-2000s when a group of professionals attempted to monitor a number of children believed to be at risk, "managers gave little help or support to their efforts".

    The report revealed some people at a senior level in the police and children's social care thought the extent of the problem was being "exaggerated".

    Prof Jay said: "The authorities involved have a great deal to answer for."

    A victim of abuse in Rotherham, who has been called "Isabel" to protect her identity, told BBC Panorama: "I was a child and they should have stepped in.

    Analysis

    James Vincent, BBC Look North

    The scale of this report is simply staggering and some of the detail extremely hard to read.

    It lays out how Rotherham Council and the police knew about the level of child sexual exploitation in the town, but didn't do anything about it.

    They either didn't believe what they were being told, played it down, or were too nervous to act. The failures, the report says, are blatant.

    The report estimates 1,400 children were sexually exploited over 16 years, with one young person telling the report's author that gang rape was a usual part of growing up in Rotherham.

    The processes for dealing with these crimes have got better in the last four years, but still improvements need to be made.

    There were more apologies from the council today but the report's author says they are too late.

    "No matter what's done now... it's not going to change that it was too late, it should have been stopped and prevented."

    Speaking about her abuser, Isabel said: "I think because the police were aware and social services were aware and he knew that and they still didn't stop him it I think it encouraged him.

    "It almost became like a game to him. He was untouchable."

    “The council and its partners could and should have done more to protect young people”
    Martin Kimber
    Rotherham Borough Council

    'Horrific experiences'

    Rotherham council's chief executive, Martin Kimber, said he accepted the report and the recommendations made and apologised to the victims of abuse.

    Martin Kimber said the council "failed in its duty to protect its young people"
    He said: "The report does not make comfortable reading in its account of the horrific experiences of some young people in the past, and I would like to reiterate our sincere apology to those who were let down when they needed help.

    "I commissioned this independent review to understand fully what went wrong, why it went wrong and to ensure that the lessons learned in Rotherham mean these mistakes can never happen again.

    "The report confirms that our services have improved significantly over the last five years and are stronger today than ever before.

    "This is important because it allows me to reassure young people and families that should anyone raise concerns we will take them seriously and provide them with the support they need.

    "However, that must not overshadow - and certainly does not excuse - the finding that for a significant amount of time the council and its partners could and should have done more to protect young people from what must be one of the most horrific forms of abuse imaginable."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #1 - August 26, 2014, 05:31 PM

    same old story. how many towns and cities the same pattern has repeated? sweeping it under the carpet makes things worse. Fears of being called racist or Islamophobic end up making risk of racist backlash worse because far-right exploits the failings and denial.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #2 - August 26, 2014, 05:35 PM

    Indeed Billy!
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #3 - August 26, 2014, 07:51 PM

    Looks like police collusion involved- those who colluded need to be dealt with more harshly than the rapists.

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    5.9 In two of the cases we read, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene. In a small number of cases (which have already received media attention) the victims were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children.


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    .10.11 She described a particular case that was 'the final straw'. In 2001, a young girl who had been repeatedly raped had tried to escape her perpetrators but was terrified of reprisals. They had allegedly put all the windows in at the parental home and broken both of her brother's legs 'to send a message'. At that point, the child agreed to make a complaint to the Police. The researcher took her to the police station office where she would be interviewed in advance in order to familiarise her with the place and the officer who would be conducting the interview. Whilst there, the girl received a text from the main perpetrator. He had with him her 11-year old sister. He said repeatedly to her 'your choice…'. The girl did not proceed with the complaint. She disengaged from the pilot and project and is quoted by the researcher as saying 'you can't protect me'. This incident raised questions about how the perpetrator knew where the young woman was and what she was doing.

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    She (12 year old girl) was associating with a group of older Asian men and possibly taking drugs. She disclosed having had intercourse with five adults. Two of the adults received police cautions after admitting to the Police that they had intercourse with Child A. Child A continued to go missing and was at high risk of sexual exploitation. A child protection case conference was held. It was agreed by all at the conference that Child A should be registered. However, the CID (criminal investigation department) representative argued against the category of sexual abuse being used because he thought that Child A had been ‘100% consensual in every incident’.

  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #4 - August 27, 2014, 09:03 AM

    Indeed. Very much so hupla.
  • Muslims react with outrage at UK sex abuse report says news
     Reply #5 - August 27, 2014, 04:38 PM

     Muslims react with outrage at UK sex abuse report  says  Dawn news


    People walk in the town centre, in Rotherham, England, Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014

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    ROTHERHAM: Members of Britain's Pakistani community reacted with outrage Wednesday amid reports that officials failed to act on sex abuse cases because of concerns about racism in the northern English town of Rotherham.

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    Muhbeen Hussain, founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth Group, told the Daily Mirror on Wednesday that Muslims are disgusted that justice was not done – leading to some 1,400 children being sexually exploited over a 16-year period, mostly by Pakistani men.


    “Race, religion or political correctness should never provide a cloak of invisibility to such grotesque crimes.”

    Report author Alexis Jay cited appalling acts of violence between 1997 and 2013 in the town of some 250,000. Charities that deal with abused children have expressed shock not just at the number of victims and by the apparent reluctance of authorities to address the question that people of Pakistani heritage were involved for fear they would be labeled racists...

    Damn.. 1400 children??  1400....I  can not read whole news.. go to link to read that ..  What is this nonsense? British wimpy justice?  or Stupid Justice system..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q43zdEUL7xU

    Pakistani Heritage?   Heritage??  fucking shit.. No..No you don't call that as heritage  .....  

    IT IS FUCKING ISLAMIC MINDSET IN THESE BABOONS     reading comments under that tube makes me very sick and angry.....................

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslims react with outrage at UK sex abuse report says news
     Reply #6 - August 27, 2014, 04:57 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3yNUornFIU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq8-GHrEzy0

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslims react with outrage at UK sex abuse report says news
     Reply #7 - August 27, 2014, 05:21 PM

    there's already a thread on this

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #8 - August 28, 2014, 10:39 PM

    Here's a Guardian article from 2011.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jan/07/grooming-racialising-crime-tradition?commentpage=1

    Absolutely shameful.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #9 - September 01, 2014, 06:30 PM

    The British education system is mostly to blame. In schools they are taught the biology of sex, but there's nothing there to teach young boys the proper etiquette and way to interact with women, no relationship education at all, nothing about not mistreating women, so you have many young British men that have an attitude that you just fuck about with women.

    I've come across men from every background everywhere there is an attitude of mess about with girls that are not your own, but settle down with on of your own. Many men are biologically hardwired to be aggresive to womwn, knowing that you have to prescribe a way to deal with them once you know who behaves that way and theres nothing in the system on a large enough scale to respond to that
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #10 - September 01, 2014, 06:39 PM

    Agreed in part serpentofeden. Sex and relationship education are almost non-existent.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #11 - September 01, 2014, 08:34 PM

    The British education system is mostly to blame. In schools they the biology of sex, but there's nothing there to teach young boys the proper etiquette and way to interact with women, no relationship education at all, nothing about not mistreating women, so you have many young British men that have an attitude that you just fuck about with women.


    How bout, "You don't rape children." Is that something the British education system still needs to teach?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #12 - September 01, 2014, 08:41 PM

    The British education system is mostly to blame.


    Yes, the British education system is mostly to blame for large scale grooming and rape, even though most people who go through it don't do that.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #13 - September 01, 2014, 09:24 PM

    The British education system is mostly to blame. In schools they the biology of sex, but there's nothing there to teach young boys the proper etiquette and way to interact with women, no relationship education at all, nothing about not mistreating women, so you have many young British men that have an attitude that you just fuck about with women.

    serpent  I am pulling my hair to understand that point.. So if  you are in-charge of British educational  system for primary, secondary and high schools., what would you teach them W.r.t "proper etiquette and way to interact with women,".., And which country in this world  good model and does better in teaching such social aspects to 10th graders?? ?

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    I've come across men from every background everywhere there is an attitude of mess about with girls that are not your own, but settle down with on of your own. Many men are biologically hardwired to be aggresive to womwn, knowing that you have to prescribe a way to deal with them once you know who behaves that way and theres nothing in the system on a large enough scale to respond to that

     what% of males are like that in England., So don't you think Sharia laws will be perfect for  England?

    you know billy has a point... 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #14 - September 01, 2014, 10:46 PM

    How bout, "You don't rape children." Is that something the British education system still needs to teach?

    Arf.



    And ouch.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #15 - September 01, 2014, 10:58 PM

    @Asbie

    The more you educated people the more you reduce sexual abuse. In any population you will get a minority of men who have fucked up thought process in the way they treat women. It's just how we have evolved and some men unlucky to be born as.

    Humans are Homo Sapien animals, people tend to forget that. I;m surprised when otherwise Scientifically literate people expect humans to be better than other species. Nature which humans are evolved products of is not by default altruistic and ethical. It's can be very brutal and ruthless and is neutral to the way we treat each other, once we acknowledge that we can work out and put it to actions ways to have less violent societies.

    In a world where there is no ethics, they can still be invented.

    @Billy

    I didn't claim everyone who goes through the british education system sexualy abuses as I state above it's a small minority.

    @yeezevee

    They are obviously educated about contraception but as far as I know no such thing presently exists relationships/relations education for men and women too.  Why for example in the US/UK do we have a date rape culture?

    RE: Sharia, I don't know why you brought that up, I never mentioned religion?

    I'm not an expert in the field but councillors, sociologists, psychologists etc could surely instruct us how to do this being human thing better.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #16 - September 01, 2014, 11:37 PM

    Actually, the natural theory has been falling out of favor recently as being over-simplified, with no real evidence to support it besides comparisons with other animals (ignoring that social animals do not all exhibit such aggression). Increasingly, the signs seem to be pointing to something far more complex, and the man-as-a-violent-animal concept completely ignores all of the other factors known to influence aggression in men, many of which tend to be more sociopolitical in nature.

    Interestingly, that ties into your original point, sort of, but you may want to get your understanding of psychology updated a bit to reflect more recent findings, they're definitely shifting away from that basic theory.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #17 - September 01, 2014, 11:50 PM

    Lua, what do you make of evolutionary game theory?
    I find it quite interesting, especially as it can be used to counter the neoclassical and Newtonian models of Economics...complex systems such as biological ones seem to provide a more promising framework for markets.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #18 - September 02, 2014, 01:44 AM

    ...complex systems such as biological ones seem to provide a more promising framework for markets.

    And societies.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #19 - September 02, 2014, 01:54 AM

    I can't say I've studied it, Qtian, but from what I know about it, it's certainly interesting.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #20 - September 02, 2014, 04:28 AM

    I blame the British. Fn Pommy bastards. cool2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #21 - September 02, 2014, 08:41 AM

    If you can get through constant rants over economists and statisticians,  I would recommend nassim taleb's book "the black swan". "
    Here is a draft of his latest book:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/495698554628108289

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #22 - September 03, 2014, 11:20 PM

    Oh dear --- The British education system is taking a bit of a kicking here.

    Teachers have their pupils for less than six hours per day, on average.  Wider society and peer groups have far more influence on children than teachers.
    It is therefore unreasonable to attribute the ills of society to this one group of people, or to naively expect teachers to prepare children to face a life of sexual exploitation.
    The Police can only prosecute offenders if there is sufficient evidence to prove, in a court of law, that a person is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.  When children withdraw complaints against their tormentors, they remove any chance that a prosecution would be successful.  Police Officers can only deal with the evidence they have.
    I am all for beefing up the law in these cases, but much better parental control of vulnerable children is needed.  Parents are ultimately responsible for their children's welfare, but are all too eager to pass the buck in these cases.
    The behaviour of the men involved in these crimes is utterly deplorable, and it is my honest belief that they should face very severe retribution for the disgusting crimes they have committed.
    This may sound controversial, but some of the parents interviewed on the Panorama programme appeared to me to be inadequate.
    I will resist the temptation to boast about my own children and grandchildren, but they have all turned out to be polite, decent and productive members of society.  THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT.

    Kind Regards,
    Stephen.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #23 - September 08, 2014, 09:30 PM

    I agree with Stephen, if it was the education the why are there not hindu or Sikh rape gangs, no the elephant in the room is Islam and the koran and a mindset that believes that Islam is superior and that there is no sin in killing, raping anyone who is not one of them.

    I bet that there's not a single person on this forum who could pour petrol on a little girl and make watch a gang rape and tell her that if she didn't comply with their wishes they would strike a match, it's unbelievably brutal and even Saville, Harris, nasty as they are, would not have done such a crime.

    Take a look at the so called Islamic State and they are doing all these things and worse, so called British people out there would rape, beat and kill in the most evil of ways, even to their so called muslim brothers.

    Are all the education systems in Europe producing these kinds of people, because thousands have joined IS.

    Oslo is regarded as the rape capital of Europe and nearly all rape are committed by, yes you've guessed it, Islamists. I make a distinction here and I don't say Muslim because many many Muslims are the victims of this terror.

    So don't try and place the blame on our very tolerant society, but my fear is that this tolerance is coming slowly to an end, when the combat trained jihadis decide to start a reign of terror and murder then there will be a civil war and people will take the law into their own hands.

    It's hard to under how the police, social services, politicians all colluded to sweep all of this under the carpet, I think, fear of Islam, Islamist kill, Islamist violent, look at what happened when a few cartoons were published, or a book was written or a film was made or an MP is stabbed, Stephen Timms, terror works.

    So the question I ask is what can be done to stop this?

    Arthur.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #24 - September 08, 2014, 09:56 PM

    Be a bit fatalistic and say I will live and encourage the way of life I like and that is good and if I cannot then I will happily be dead and out of this madness arthur2.

    Basically say fuck it.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #25 - September 08, 2014, 10:02 PM


    So the question I ask is what can be done to stop this?

    Arthur.

     well send all of your friends and some one you know in the UK government the CEMB forums links and ask them to read the forum., folks here will provide some way, some answers to solve that problem arthur2 ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #26 - September 08, 2014, 10:32 PM

    Be a bit fatalistic and say I will live and encourage the way of life I like and that is good and if I cannot then I will happily be dead and out of this madness arthur2.

    Basically say fuck it.


    I can't say that, I have 3 daughters, 6 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren and it is their future that I'm concerned with, me, my COPD already is seeing me out.

    Arthur.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #27 - September 08, 2014, 10:33 PM

    I don't really know how to answer Arthur 2, but feel obliged to make an attempt.
    It seems as though successive British governments have abjectly failed to get their relationship right with immigrant communities, and have adopted a dangerous laissez faire attitude in order to avoid dealing with the problems of divided communities.
    Certain communities, Muslims amongst them, have engaged in special pleading aimed at allowing them to do pretty much as they please, and this has resulted in the Police and Local Authorities furiously back peddling in order that they are not labelled as being racist.
    If the Police do enter an area with a high immigrant population in order to make an arrest, the so called "community leaders" are all over the TV claiming that the Police were "heavy handed" or "racially motivated."
    Who these "community leaders" are, or by what democratic right they claim to represent the community, I have no idea.  Arrests made in predominantly white areas pass off without comment, and no unelected community leaders force their way onto the TV.
    Apart from these terrible occurrences in Rotherham, we are also aware of a very significant number of forced marriages, often involving girls way below the age at which they can legally give consent.  In addition to this, we see a growing number of "honour killings", which are inappropriately named as there is no honour in murdering a defenceless girl.  
    Unless the government take an absolutely no nonsense stance against these grossly stupid illegal acts, I fear that Muslim communities may be subjected to attacks by those who are frustrated by their unwillingness to abide by British law.
    I sincerely hope that it will never come to that, but I do hear the opinions of people who are very angry and dissatisfied.  It certainly seems to me that the mood has darkened very considerably of late, and I just hope that the Muslim community will realise that they have pushed their luck rather too far.

    Kind Regards,
    Stephen.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #28 - September 08, 2014, 11:52 PM

    Another quick thought on the subject of sex education.

    I received sex education on the day before I left school.  This "education was conducted by a very crusty old teacher, who would often fall asleep at his desk in the afternoons.  Sex must have been a very distant memory for him, and I can think of nothing which qualified this ancient man to teach this subject.

    Anyway, the lesson was mercifully brief, and I remember every single word of it.  He said: "Men give love in order to obtain sex, and Women give sex in order to obtain love."  That, I swear, was the lesson in its entirety.

    For all the lack of sex education in the 1950's and early 60's, very, very few young girls got pregnant.  Fewer still were raped or subjected to sexual assaults, and men would always, without fail, escort their girlfriends home.  My own Mother told me when I was about 16 that I must see a girl home if I had taken her out, and she would have been livid if I failed to protect my date in that way.

    So you see, it is not the lack of sex education which is the problem, but the general lowering of standards in society. 

    Only yesterday, in a supermarket queue, I noticed a heavily pregnant young woman struggling with her basket.  Most people ignored her plight, but I stepped forward and offered to help.  It cost me nothing, but it did demonstrate to others the way a gentleman in his sixties behaves.

    Kind Regards,
    Stephen.
  • Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
     Reply #29 - September 08, 2014, 11:55 PM

    What if it was an old man struggling with his basket. Would it not be worthwhile to help him then?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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