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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1860 - February 25, 2015, 07:28 PM

    Thanks Abu.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1861 - February 25, 2015, 07:32 PM

    You might want to re-read it Zeca as I just edited a few bits lol  grin12
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1862 - February 25, 2015, 08:22 PM

    Regarding Ijma': even if we accept Ijma' as criteria for "true Islam", as it comes right after the Quran and sunnah, it is extremely difficult to actually prove that a certain opinion is the consensus of all scholars. Ijma' is just that, even according to classical fiqh; the consensus on a particular issue from the very start when the issue came about from all scholars while not a single known scholar uttering a difference of opinion. That is why there are actually very few matters that are headed under Ijma', and to prove Ijma' is even harder. There is no Ijma' in "retroperspective", if you can call it that, so the example with "abolishing slavery" being Ijma' is nothing but bullshit and dishonesty. It might be the majority opinion of that group of scholars at that time, but cettainly NOT Ijma' in general. Especially not since the scholars from the past explicitly did NOT think slavery was supposed to be abolished.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1863 - February 25, 2015, 08:25 PM

    Spot on, Cornflower!!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1864 - February 25, 2015, 08:31 PM

    Especially this:

    so the example with "abolishing slavery" being Ijma' is nothing but bullshit and dishonesty


    They simply don't realise that they can't go on trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes - including their own.

    They need to be honest and admit:

    "Yes the Qur'an/Hadith does indeed say/endorse X, Y, Z... but you know what? It's wrong!! The Qur'an & Hadith is not infallible."

    But this is just a step too far for most Muslims - at least in the short term.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1865 - February 25, 2015, 08:32 PM

    The whole "consensus" discourse some people try to pull when trying to prove "true Islam" is just soooo irritating. Go back to the books of fiqh and you'll understand. You know what is Ijma'? Things like "we pray five times a day" and "the quran is the word of allah", basically really basic stuff that everyone already knows. But they couldn't even agree if the word of allah was "created" or "uncreated"! Roll Eyes To summarize, there are just a handful of issues that are actually (proven to be) agreed upon, even the scholars I've studied under highlight this and they were hard core sunni/wahhabi scholars.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1866 - February 26, 2015, 11:44 AM

    The number of Assyrian Christian is much higher than was initially estimated. More than 200.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/26/middleeast/isis-syria-iraq/index.html
    http://www.euronews.com/2015/02/26/revised-reports-suggest-isil-has-abducted-over-200-assyrian-christians-in-syria/


    Afram Yakoub @AframYakoub
    Sources on ground saying #IS moved #Assyrian hostages to 3 villages, using them as human shields. More to come soon..
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1867 - February 26, 2015, 02:11 PM

    Jihadi John named as Mohammed Emwazi 27 a London university computer graduate, from Queen’s Park north west London.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/jihadi-john-islamic-state-militant-named-as-university-graduate-from-west-london-10071864.html

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1868 - February 26, 2015, 02:19 PM

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    #ISIS destroy and burn the #Mosul #Museum, and destroys the oldest historic statues. Dating back to 10,000 years BC http://t.co/PfKp0m58OG


    https://twitter.com/KURDISTAN_ARMY/status/570940833257668610

    One of the pics there of a statue being destroyed is of the statue seen in my history of Buraq thread. So upsetting!

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1869 - February 26, 2015, 02:33 PM







  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1870 - February 26, 2015, 02:54 PM

    This is going to make Tom Holland cry.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1871 - February 26, 2015, 05:43 PM

    If ISIS was a tv drama no-one would believe it. It would seem like some ridiculously over-the-top caricature of evil villains.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1872 - February 26, 2015, 08:06 PM

    Channel 4's Jon Snow vs. CAGE's Asim Qureshi om Mohammad Emwazi aka. Jihadi John:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X7Cwl8QlUU

    Here is Shiraz Maher who basically says that CAGE is full of it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJx-NhsFV6Y

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1873 - February 26, 2015, 08:40 PM

    I wonder if any of the ISIS guys felt any remorse or were hesitant in destroying those statues. Some of those bearded ancient Assyrians really do not look that different from them. Maybe they are the direct descendants of those men.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1874 - February 26, 2015, 08:52 PM

    I read a statement from Mulla Umar that even he didn't want to destroy the Buddah statues. He saw it as part of human culture, a shame to destroy the artwork....

    Then he had a dream he interpreted to be a message from allah, following the command to destroy the statues.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1875 - February 26, 2015, 09:13 PM

    I wonder if any of the ISIS guys felt any remorse or were hesitant in destroying those statues.
    ...

    I don't think so. Not even slightly. Most of ISIS are Salafi/Wahhabi Muslims and they are indoctrinated to hate statues with a passion. And ISIS seem to be the most psychopathic Salafis around.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1876 - February 26, 2015, 09:38 PM

    Jihadi John beheads an aid worker and joins a group that severely oppresses religious minorities, including christians. We've so far haven't heard of assyrian militias doing beheadings in Syria/Iraq. Yet Cage UK considers him the victim. Where do these fuckers get their funding?Or do they do it for free.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1877 - February 27, 2015, 05:06 PM


    Graeme Wood on the responses to his previous article

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants-reader-response-atlantic/385710/
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    But the most interesting comments concerned my story’s popularity among ISIS supporters .... I was unsurprised to see it shared online by Islamic State fans, at least somewhat positively, but of course I was still uncomfortable about being praised by avowed génocidaires....


    There's more discussion on his Twitter feed: https://mobile.twitter.com/gcaw
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1878 - February 27, 2015, 05:11 PM



     finmad This is horrible. I hope they did not get into the achieves which hold the majority of artifacts. The white status were probably replicas. The first and fourth pictures were not.

     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1879 - February 27, 2015, 05:29 PM

    From the Cyber Fitna blog: 'Nitpicking Wood's piece matters'

    https://cyberfitna.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/nitpicking-woods-piece-matters/
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    Now that the wholesale freakout over Graeme Wood’s piece has died down a bit, I figured I would restart the blog to offer some reflections. As someone that studies Salafi-Jihadi religious practice, particularly warfare jurisprudence, I am, by disposition, inclined to take religion/ideology seriously. While I don’t think it is the only factor, I think it is at least an important one that we should consider. As I have mentioned previously, reductionist theories of religion tend to disregard how actual people speak about their religious beliefs. Furthermore, the Islamic State’s discussion about the permissibility of enslaving Yazidis shows that it takes jurisprudence seriously as well. My major problem with Wood’s piece is the failure to contextualize IS’s rigorous adherence to medieval warfare fiqh within the Mongol invasions. Furthermore, I think there is a general conflation of medieval practice and early Islamic practice. This may seem dumb but I think it is particularly important in the current climate.

    To his credit, Wood quotes Haykel as saying, “Islamic State fighters “are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day.”” However, I have serious doubts that even learned readers of the Atlantic know much about the medieval Islamic legal tradition. The fact that medieval also has connotations of “backwards” compounds the problem. That quote is immediately followed by a discussion of the Qur’an, seeming to place the practices as innately “Islamic.”

    The problem is that the rigorous concern for jurisprudence that IS follows is from the 13th century (nearly 600 years after the death of the prophet), as a product of the Mongol invasions. For perspective, this is roughly the amount of time that passed from when Christians were a persecuted, pacifistic group to launching the Crusades. The Mongol invasions were the first time that Muslims lived under non-Christian or non-Muslim rule. As such, it represented an existential problem for Muslim jurists. Prohibitions on killing civilians and other Muslims were lifted out of necessity. Ibn Taymiyyah (al-Sheikh al-Islam) was noted for his total war approach to the Mongols. He is a favorite of IS and Salafi-Jihadis more generally. However, when even crazy people like al-Maqdisi accuse IS of cherry-picking Ibn Taymiyyah at the expense of the actions of the Prophet, we should be wary.

    This may seem terribly nitpicky but it is important. In our current political climate, where people claim Islam is innately violent, a failure to differentiate early Islamic and medieval practices fuels the fire. Wood’s article has provided the fodder for people to say, “see, IS looks at the texts and IS is violent. Ergo, Islam is violent.” That conflation does not help anyone, whether or not IS’s ideology is important in order to defeat them.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1880 - February 27, 2015, 10:32 PM

    ^ Interesting! Thanks, zeca

    Here is an analysis by Mona Alami. Links galore in the original:

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    Martyrs Wanted: ISIS' Devastating Defector Problem

    Mona Alami is a Nonresident Fellow with the Atlantic Council’s Rafik Hariri Center currently reporting from Iraq. She is a French-Lebanese journalist and based in Beirut. Follow her on Twitter @monaalami. This piece originally appeared here, on the Atlantic Council’s MENASource blog.

    As the pressure on the Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) mounts against the backdrop of coalition attacks and a Kurdish offensive in Syria’s Raqqa region, militant recruitment has become a pressing matter for the radical organization, which has lost many fighters in clashes around Iraq and Syria. According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), out of 1,800 people killed during the Kobani battles, 70 percent belonged to ISIS. On February 14, 132 fighters died across Syria, including forty-four ISIS militants. Given mounting losses, ISIS expansion has relied on a two-pronged recruitment approach: targeting foreigners looking to join the new caliphate and enlisting members of the local population. While the foreign recruitment strategy appears successful, local recruitment faces growing obstacles in Syria and Iraq.

    ISIS has relied on a powerful branding strategy, diffusing violent images on social media, YouTube and Twitter. The organization has released several documentaries boasting its military exploits such as the Flames of War featuring heroic-looking militants and gruesome footage of bombings and executions. This systematic glamorization of violence has allowed the terror group to attract foreign recruits. In January, a new study by International Center for the Study of Radicalization and Political Violence estimated that the number of foreign fighters in Iraq and Syria had reached about 20,000.

    ISIS’s local recruitment approach has been described in Idarat al Tawahosh (The Management of Savagery), a book written by Abu Bakr Naji in 2004, which ISIS has adopted. Naji argues that the first step for recruitment is “the creation of organizations to improve the management of the areas under our control.” ISIS applied this technique initially following its surge in June. The groups managed everything from bakeries and banks to schools, courts and mosques in Raqqa. One activist admitted at that the time that the organization had been doing “massive institutional work.”

    A second recruitment tool imagined by Naji was the manipulation of tribal antagonism in favor of the organization. ISIS attempted to mobilize Arab crowds ahead of the battle of Tel Hamis in Syria last year using flagrant anti-Kurdish discourse. In accordance with Naji’s recommendation to use money or power as incentives, activists in Raqqa report that ISIS offered cash and sabaya (female slaves) to local tribal leaders to encourage them to swear allegiance.

    Indoctrinating local populations and its youth was another cornerstone to Naji’s manifesto. Since its inception, ISIS has imposed religious and military training on children in the Raqqa province. The same activists report that the group uses two training camps—Sharea Ashbal and Maahad Ashbal al-Khilafa—to indoctrinate and train children. According to a Syrian Human Rights Committee report in August, at least eight hundred children under eighteen had been recruited by ISIS. Other reports highlight the more than thirty kids fighting with ISIS in Kobani. An ISIS defector said that militants targeted the young to “[break] down traditional authority structures: the alliance to the family and to the tribe.”

    While these strategies succeeded initially, they appear more difficult to maintain in the wake of the continuous coalition, Kurdish and Shia militia attacks on ISIS. The counteroffensives have killed many militants and disrupted the transfer of goods between regions under the organization’s control. Naji’s governance tool appears to be faltering as residents in ISIS-controlled areas increasingly complain of rising food and fuel prices and declining services. The price of staples such as bread has also risen significantly and basic products have become scarce.

    ISIS has since resorted to aggressive means for youth recruitment, triggering resentment in some areas. One Iraqi activist notes that the organization often recruits children without the knowledge or approval of their families, leading to a drop in school attendance. A wave of conscription among youth in Mosul, Hawija and Kirkuk in Iraq has in some cases led to kidnappings to coerce families to provide them with fighters (although reports could not be independently confirmed). ISIS militants also arrested forty ex-fighters in the Nusra Front and rebel factions from the village of Abriha and town of al-Sahil and trained them in sharia camps before sending them to battlefronts. Syrian activists said that ISIS also began forcing male members of foreign families that had come to live in the Islamic State, but did not want to fight, to participate in battles.

    As a result, ISIS has suffered increased defections in Syria, particularly after the fall of Kobani. Militants have tried to return home or join other groups. ISIS executed one hundred jihadists who attempted to defect. Defections have left the organization possibly facing a shortage of willing martyrs. Other reports point to ISIS police arresting four hundred fighters in Raqqa for not reporting for duty. The same Iraqi activist reported that the organization banned truck drivers from transporting ISIS fighters to limit desertion. In both Raqqa and Mosul, the transit of residents in and out of the city has been closely monitored.

    Decreasing human resources may account for ISIS repositioning across areas under its control. ISIS had to transfer in late December eight hundred Chechens, Afghans and Syrians with their families to the city of Tel Affar (50 km west of Mosul), which was the scene of heavy fighting. The number of Islamic State checkpoints and patrols also dwindled in the Syrian border town of al-Bokamel in January, with troops possibly funneled into Iraq.

    ISIS relies heavily on the loyalty of both its muhajireen (foreign fighters) base and ansar (local supporters). While the organization’s successes bolstered its appeal among foreign fighters, warlords and tribes, whether in Syria or Iraq, new losses may be starting to chip away at its aura of power. The rate of recruitment has dropped by more than half in February (only fifty-four recruited) compared to January 2015. Compare this figure to June 2014, when nearly six thousand fighters had joined ISIS.

    Growing defections, rising tensions and declining local recruitment puts added pressure on ISIS and provides the U.S.-led coalition and the Baghdad government with a window of opportunity to degrade the organization. But in Iraq, other social, political and economic reasons account for local support of ISIS. Naji’s tactic using tribal antagonism to breed organizational loyalty may not have had enough time to sink in, but for many Sunnis—particularly in Iraq—no credible alternative to ISIS has emerged. The Iraqi government will need to take concerted steps to diffuse sectarian tensions and present itself as that alternative. ISIS also benefits from the use of both Syrian and Iraqi territory according to its military needs. The anti-ISIS coalition will need a more comprehensive approach in Syria if it hopes to win the day.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1881 - February 27, 2015, 11:46 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2971818/Oh-dear-mother-chanting-Allahu-Akbar-Footage-recorded-terrified-Iraqis-convoy-coming-home-realise-ISIS.html#v-4083516516001
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1882 - February 28, 2015, 10:17 AM

    ^Allahhu Akbar has become a chant that now induces fear into Muslims. It's a bit sad.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1883 - February 28, 2015, 11:32 AM

    when you put it like that, it really is messed up !

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1884 - February 28, 2015, 12:42 PM

    Excessive use of "Allahu Akbar" can reportedly get you killed on the spot in parts of Afghanistan and Caucasus these days by local anti-extremist vigilantes...

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1885 - February 28, 2015, 01:37 PM

    Hour long CAGE conference broadcast on the BBC (which apparently they don't want you to see).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MngUaaOIVqg

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1886 - February 28, 2015, 06:19 PM

    Eiynah NIcemangos response:


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1887 - February 28, 2015, 08:12 PM

    Hour long CAGE conference broadcast on the BBC (which apparently they don't want you to see).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MngUaaOIVqg


    How the tabloids loved that 'beautiful man' quote, I bet he regrets it now. It's a shame really because he makes a couple of good points. It's also unfortunate his buddy looks like a photo-fit caricature of a terrorist. Cage make Quiliam look like the CAB.

    Ha Ha.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1888 - March 01, 2015, 11:47 AM

    Kenan Malik - A search for identity draws jihadis to the horrors of ISIS

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/01/what-draws-jihadis-to-isis-identity-alienation
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1889 - March 01, 2015, 01:24 PM

    Kenan Malik - A search for identity draws jihadis to the horrors of ISIS

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/01/what-draws-jihadis-to-isis-identity-alienation


    Quote from Kenan Malik's excellent article (link above):

    "What draws most wannabe jihadis to Syria is, to begin with, neither politics nor religion. It is a search for something a lot less definable: for identity, for meaning, for “belongingness”, for respect. Insofar as they are alienated, it is not because wannabe jihadis are poorly integrated, in the conventional way we think of integration. Theirs is a much more existential form of alienation.

    There is, of course, nothing new in the youthful search for identity and meaning. What is different today is the social context in which this search takes place. We live in a more atomised society than in the past; an age in which many people feel peculiarly disengaged from mainstream social institutions and in which moral lines often seem blurred and identities distorted.

    In the past, social disaffection may have led people to join movements for political change, from far-left groups to anti-racist campaigns. Today, such organisations often seem equally out of touch. What gives shape to contemporary disaffection is not progressive politics but the politics of identity.

    Identity politics has, over the last three decades, encouraged people to define themselves in increasingly narrow ethnic or cultural terms...

    These developments have shaped not just Muslim self-perception but that of most social groups. Many within white working-class communities are often as disengaged as their Muslim peers, and similarly see their problems not in political terms but through the lens of cultural and ethnic identity. Hence the growing hostility to immigration and diversity and, for some, the seeming attraction of far-right groups.

    Racist populism and radical Islamism are both, in their different ways, expressions of social disengagement in an era of identity politics. There is something distinctive about Islamist identity. Islam is a global religion, allowing Islamists to create an identity that is intensely parochial and seemingly universal, linking Muslims to struggles across the world, from Afghanistan to Palestine, and providing the illusion of being part of a global movement.

    In an age in which traditional anti-imperialist movements have faded and belief in alternatives to capitalism dissolved, radical Islam provides the illusion of a struggle against an immoral present and for a utopian future."
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