Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts


Do humans have needed kno...
Today at 12:02 PM

Qur'anic studies today
Yesterday at 08:44 PM

Lights on the way
by akay
Yesterday at 04:40 PM

اضواء على الطريق ....... ...
by akay
Yesterday at 12:50 PM

Do humans have needed kno...
Yesterday at 04:17 AM

What's happened to the fo...
by zeca
April 18, 2024, 06:39 PM

New Britain
April 18, 2024, 05:41 PM

Iran launches drones
April 13, 2024, 09:56 PM

عيد مبارك للجميع! ^_^
by akay
April 12, 2024, 04:01 PM

Eid-Al-Fitr
by akay
April 12, 2024, 12:06 PM

Mock Them and Move on., ...
January 30, 2024, 10:44 AM

Pro Israel or Pro Palesti...
January 29, 2024, 01:53 PM

Theme Changer

 Topic: 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL

 (Read 420966 times)
  • Previous page 1 ... 39 40 4142 43 ... 79 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1200 - September 30, 2014, 09:06 PM

    Quote
    Thank you for the lead, Zeca. I am of Greek Cypriot origin so has even more relevance. Poor little ol' Cyprus always seems the get caught in the crossfire between the two.

    In that case it's definitely worth reading. I lived in Athens for a few years a long time ago and I was always curious about the exchange of populations. Really it's fundamental to understanding the history and culture of modern Greece. Twice a Stranger is by far the best thing I've read about it. For one thing it avoids taking sides between Greek and Turkish nationalism, which in my experience seems really hard for Greek writers to do, even when they're trying.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1201 - October 01, 2014, 01:30 AM

    How exactly should ISIS and other jihadists be faced?
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1202 - October 01, 2014, 07:25 AM

    What's pissing me off at the moment is the way our Feds are exploiting this IS shit to make themselves seem like the saviour of the fucking nation, and to change legislation without any obvious necessity for it. It's like the Bush era all over again, Australian style. They're totally loving it, because it's distracting attention from what a pack of gormless twats they are when it comes to domestic policy. MH17, initially, and now IS, have been a real godsend for them.


    Aussie Politicians sure know how to screw their citizens. Wink


    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1203 - October 01, 2014, 07:26 AM

    What's pissing me off at the moment is the way our Feds are exploiting this IS shit to make themselves seem like the saviour of the fucking nation, and to change legislation without any obvious necessity for it. It's like the Bush era all over again, Australian style. They're totally loving it, because it's distracting attention from what a pack of gormless twats they are when it comes to domestic policy. MH17, initially, and now IS, have been a real godsend for them.


    Aussie Feds sure know how to screw their citizens. Grin


    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1204 - October 01, 2014, 07:55 AM

    Bit of tongue in cheek from the Guradian.

    Why stop at Isis when we could bomb the whole Muslim world?

    Quote
    Humanitarian arguments, if consistently applied, could be used to flatten the entire Middle East

    Let’s bomb the Muslim world – all of it – to save the lives of its people. Surely this is the only consistent moral course? Why stop at Islamic State (Isis), when the Syrian government has murdered and tortured so many? This, after all, was last year’s moral imperative. What’s changed?

    How about blasting the Shia militias in Iraq? One of them selected 40 people from the streets of Baghdad in June and murdered them for being Sunnis. Another massacred 68 people at a mosque in August. They now talk openly of “cleansing” and “erasure” once Isis has been defeated. As a senior Shia politician warns, “we are in the process of creating Shia al-Qaida radical groups equal in their radicalisation to the Sunni Qaida”.

    What humanitarian principle instructs you to stop there? In Gaza this year, 2,100 Palestinians were massacred: including people taking shelter in schools and hospitals. Surely these atrocities demand an air war against Israel? And what’s the moral basis for refusing to liquidate Iran? Mohsen Amir-Aslani was hanged there last week for making “innovations in the religion” (suggesting that the story of Jonah in the Qur’an was symbolic rather than literal). Surely that should inspire humanitarian action from above? Pakistan is crying out for friendly bombs: an elderly British man, Mohammed Asghar, who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, is, like other blasphemers, awaiting execution there after claiming to be a holy prophet. One of his prison guards has already shot him in the back.

    Is there not an urgent duty to blow up Saudi Arabia? It has beheaded 59 people so far this year, for offences that include adultery, sorcery and witchcraft. It has long presented a far greater threat to the west than Isis now poses. In 2009 Hillary Clinton warned in a secret memo that “Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban … and other terrorist groups”. In July, the former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, revealed that Prince Bandar bin Sultan, until recently the head of Saudi intelligence, told him: “The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally ‘God help the Shia’. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.” Saudi support for extreme Sunni militias in Syria during Bandar’s tenure is widely blamed for the rapid rise of Isis. Why take out the subsidiary and spare the headquarters?

    The humanitarian arguments aired in parliament last week, if consistently applied, could be used to flatten the entire Middle East and west Asia. By this means you could end all human suffering, liberating the people of these regions from the vale of tears in which they live.

    Perhaps this is the plan: Barack Obama has now bombed seven largely Muslim countries, in each case citing a moral imperative. The result, as you can see in Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan,Yemen, Somalia and Syria, has been the eradication of jihadi groups, of conflict, chaos, murder, oppression and torture. Evil has been driven from the face of the Earth by the destroying angels of the west.

    Now we have a new target, and a new reason to dispense mercy from the sky, with similar prospects of success. Yes, the agenda and practices of Isis are disgusting. It murders and tortures, terrorises and threatens. As Obama says, it is a “network of death”. But it’s one of many networks of death. Worse still, a western crusade appears to be exactly what Isis wants.

    Already Obama’s bombings have brought Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra, a rival militia affiliated to al-Qaida, together. More than 6,000 fighters have joined Isis since the bombardment began. They dangled the heads of their victims in front of the cameras as bait for war planes. And our governments were stupid enough to take it.

    And if the bombing succeeds? If – and it’s a big if – it manages to tilt the balance against Isis, what then? Then we’ll start hearing once more about Shia death squads and the moral imperative to destroy them too – and any civilians who happen to get in the way. The targets change; the policy doesn’t. Never mind the question, the answer is bombs. In the name of peace and the preservation of life, our governments wage perpetual war.

    While the bombs fall, our states befriend and defend other networks of death. The US government still refuses – despite Obama’s promise – to release the 28 redacted pages from the joint congressional inquiry into 9/11, which document Saudi Arabian complicity in the US attack. In the UK, in 2004 the Serious Fraud Office began investigating allegations of massive bribes paid by the British weapons company BAE to Saudi ministers and middlemen. Just as crucial evidence was about to be released, Tony Blair intervened to stop the investigation. The biggest alleged beneficiary was Prince Bandar. The SFO was investigating a claim that, with the approval of the British government, he received £1bn in secret payments from BAE.

    And still it is said to go on. Last week’s Private Eye, drawing on a dossier of recordings and emails, alleges that a British company has paid £300m in bribes to facilitate weapons sales to the Saudi national guard. When a whistleblower in the company reported these payments to the British Ministry of Defence, instead of taking action it alerted his bosses. He had to flee the country to avoid being thrown into a Saudi jail.

    There are no good solutions that military intervention by the UK or the US can engineer. There are political solutions in which our governments could play a minor role: supporting the development of effective states that don’t rely on murder and militias, building civic institutions that don’t depend on terror, helping to create safe passage and aid for people at risk. Oh, and ceasing to protect, sponsor and arm selected networks of death. Whenever our armed forces have bombed or invaded Muslim nations, they have made life worse for those who live there. The regions in which our governments have intervened most are those that suffer most from terrorism and war. That is neither coincidental nor surprising.

    Yet our politicians affect to learn nothing. Insisting that more killing will magically resolve deep-rooted conflicts, they scatter bombs like fairy dust.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1205 - October 01, 2014, 08:32 AM

    Syrian government has tortured many? Says who?
    Oh yeah what about freaking Jabhat al Nusra and other Syrian "rebels" groups that are armed, trained and funded by the West and its allies? Why do I say it "rebels" instead of rebels? Because many of those who join rebels groups are non-Syrians.

    Religions + Politics = Problem
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1206 - October 01, 2014, 01:34 PM

    More on the Khorasan group:

    http://warincontext.org/2014/09/29/glenn-greenwalds-khorasan-conspiracy-theory-misses-the-point/
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1207 - October 01, 2014, 01:58 PM

    Syrian government has tortured many? Says who?

    Anyone who knows anything about the situation and who is not a stooge of the Assad regime. The current situation started in spring 2011 when some school kids wrote freedom slogans on a wall.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/15/syrian-torture-images-security-council-war-crimes
    Quote
    Photographs of about 11,000 Syrians said to have been tortured and killed by Bashar al-Assad's forces are to be seen on Tuesday by members of the UN security council as part of an effort to prosecute the perpetrators for war crimes.


    Quote from: Honeybunch link=topic=26560.msg785197#msg785197
    Oh yeah what about freaking Jabhat al Nusra and other Syrian "rebels" groups that are armed, trained and funded by the West and its allies? Why do I say it "rebels" instead of rebels? Because many of those who join rebels groups are non-Syrians.

    Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE. The US was turning a blind eye. Obviously they shouldn't have done that. Watch the videos in this thread. There you will see plenty of disillusioned rebels who feel their revolution was stolen by extremists. Also notice that Assad deliberately has been fueling IS and Jabhat al-Nusra by releasing known extremists from the prisons and buying oil from IS.

    IS is a war with Jabhat al-Nusra. IS is at war with everyone. For a very long time Assad gave them free reign as long as they didn't attack his forces. He still does. So they attacked everyone else. Now he wants to join the coalition against his "terrorist" enemies. All of them.

    Thanks Zeca. You are very good at finding dah good thought-provocing stuff! Afro

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1208 - October 01, 2014, 07:11 PM

    In that case it's definitely worth reading. I lived in Athens for a few years a long time ago and I was always curious about the exchange of populations. Really it's fundamental to understanding the history and culture of modern Greece. Twice a Stranger is by far the best thing I've read about it. For one thing it avoids taking sides between Greek and Turkish nationalism, which in my experience seems really hard for Greek writers to do, even when they're trying.


    Thank you Zeca. You are a veritable gold-mine of information. Hopefully the next generation of Turkish/Greek Cypriot progressives can try to put our recent and distant past behind us and get a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1209 - October 01, 2014, 07:23 PM

    ^I did see this report from a joint Turkish/Greek Cypriot Mayday demo in Nicosia. Maybe it's a small sign of hope: http://www.35-33.com/thousands-of-greek-and-turkish-cypriots-united-this-mayday-for-the-1st-time-after-56-years-photos-from-the-anti-authoritarian-block/
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1210 - October 01, 2014, 07:32 PM

    A Danish-Bosnian friend just posted this. (Unfortunately) Bosnia has expertise in identifying remains of genocides. Trying to patch up the wounds.

    Quote
    One woman on the island, Sevgul Uludag, is credited by both the Greek and Turkish communities as having had a vital role, over the past 12 years, in finding the missing.


    How Bosnia is helping identify Cypriots murdered 50 years ago

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1211 - October 01, 2014, 07:38 PM

    Wow this is a step in the right direction.  Afro I am more optimistic.

    Was a little perturbed though that some "anarchists" (for want of a better word) had hijacked the demo. NOT behaviour we want to see.

    "The demonstration passed through old town’s central streets shouting anti capitalist and anti nationalist slogans. Mc Donalds and Starbucks where “invaded” by youth in black balaclavas, who threw flyers(feuille volant) inside the shops. A lot of graffiti was also sprayed on blank, available walls."

    I think that when it comes to the process of reconciliation, here and in other situations, that a generation needs to have passed before some reproachment is practical.

    As those who remember the conflict first hand pass away, or whose angers are dulled by the years, a new breed of communities politicians and leaders who were not necessarily even born when the conflict took place, can begin to fill the ranks and move the process on, where harsh memories are not there to get in the way.

    Perhaps this is what is happening in Cyprus?


    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1212 - October 02, 2014, 10:33 AM

    This should allegedly be Syrian Arabs in the Kurdish-led YPG forces in Rojava (Syrian Kurdistan):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1lBqe4U5K0

    More Arabs in YPG including a black African fellow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H-IovI0OoA

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1213 - October 02, 2014, 12:05 PM

    What are they saying in the last one? Think heard democracy in it, defo K'stan; and also something about Kurds, Arabs and Assyrians joining together?
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1214 - October 02, 2014, 12:15 PM

    YPG also organises Christian Assyrians. They are very big on minorities' and women's rights.

    Here the militia MFS:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5iYCQWNo0

    Here the militia Sutoro (associated with MFS):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLYd8yLuQlk

    From WikiPedia:Sutoro

    Quote
    Although the Kurds were initially suspicious when it started organising and wanted its members to either disarm or join Kurdish formations, the Sutoro was soon accepted and welcomed by Kurdish forces. It currently operates alongside the Kurdish Asayish police force, manning joint checkpoints and patrolling neighbourhoods together, while its paramilitary counterpart, the Syriac Military Council (MFS), formally joined the ranks of the YPG in January 2014.


    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1215 - October 02, 2014, 02:48 PM

    What are they saying in the last one? Think heard democracy in it, defo K'stan; and also something about Kurds, Arabs and Assyrians joining together?

     

    They are swearing allegiance to You and saying for the sake of a democratic Syria and a free Kurdistan with no distinction /discrimination between religion race etc

    It is encouraging to hear this niko thanks for posting. There are a lot of Arabs in ain Al Arab many Muslims but also many Christians and as well as Muslim kurds of course and they always got on fine.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1216 - October 02, 2014, 02:48 PM

    Ypg
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1217 - October 02, 2014, 02:54 PM

    I should say Assyrians rather than Christian or Arabs before nergal has a go at me lol Wink but they speak Arabic and so will be with the Arab Muslims /socialists
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1218 - October 02, 2014, 03:26 PM

    Thanks Abu Ali! Much appreciated!

    I feel I know shit compared to those who can read, speak and understand Arabic and related languages, and also know more of the history of stuff. You guys can read the news from there, can read twitter feeds coming out of that quagmire and also read qu'ran and stuff 'properly'.

    This site needs you awesome people as well as those that Urdu, Farsi, and other languages where there is a high Islamic/Muslim influence.

    Gratitude  thnkyu  far away hug
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1219 - October 02, 2014, 04:31 PM

    More Kurdish - Sunni Arab co-operation:

    Backed by Sunnis, Kurds seize post from IS

    Quote
    ARBIL: Iraqi Kurdish troops drove Islamic State fighters from a strategic border crossing with Syria on Tuesday and won the support of members of a major Sunni tribe, in one of the biggest successes since US forces began bombing the IS.

    The victory, which could make it harder for militants to operate on both sides of the frontier, was also achieved with help from Kurds from the Syrian side of the frontier, a new sign of cooperation across the border.

    Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga fighters took control of the Rabia border crossing in a battle that began before dawn, an Iraqi Kurdish political source said.

    “It’s the most important strategic point for crossing,” the source said.

    The participation of Sunni tribal fighters in the battle against Islamic State could prove as important a development as the advance itself.

    Members of the influential Shammar tribe, one of the largest in northwestern Iraq, joined the Kurds in the fighting, a tribal figure said.

    “Rabia is completely liberated. All of the Shammar are with the Peshmerga and there is full cooperation between us,” Abdullah Yawar, a leading member of the tribe, told Reuters. He said the cooperation was the result of an agreement with the president of Iraq’s Kurdish region after three months of negotiation to join forces against the “common enemy.”

    Gaining support from Sunni tribes, many of which either supported or acquiesced in Islamic State’s June advance, would be a crucial objective for the Iraqi government and its regional and Western allies in the fight against the insurgents.


    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1220 - October 02, 2014, 05:28 PM

    And this was to be feared...

    Shiite Militias Pose Threat to Kurds, Sunnis

    Quote
    By Hiwa Hussamaddin

    KIRKUK, Kurdistan Region—Security and military officials in Kirkuk say Shiite militias are acting with impunity as they fight the Islamic State (IS), carrying out brutal campaigns against Sunni Arabs who are asking for protection from Kurdish forces. 

    Following the fall of Mosul to IS and as the extremist group inches toward Baghdad, thousands of Shiite militiamen have heeded Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani’s call to fight IS and mobilized to battlefields in Kirkuk, Mosul, Diyala and Tikrit.

    In Iraq there are at least two dozen known Shiite militia groups, including the Badr Brigades, Mehdi Army, Hezbollah, Ali ibn Abutalib and Asaib Ahl al-Haq. The militias are heavily armed and are believed to receive support from the Iraqi army.

    A new stronghold for the Shiite militias is the town of Amerli, Salahaddin province, which was under IS siege until a rare joint operation between Peshmerga forces, the Shiite militias, the Iraqi Army and US airstrikes ousted IS in late August. Shiite militias took over the town after IS was pushed back.

    (Amerli is primarily Shia Turkmen /Nikolaj)

    Sherwan Hamid, a Kurdish Peshmerga officer near Kirkuk, told Rudaw, “The policy and behavior of Shiite militants have changed completely. In the beginning their only goal was to retake Shiite areas, but now they have started seeking revenge.”

    Hamid added, “Following the liberation of Amerli, Suleiman Beg and some other villages, the Shiite militants entered the village of Yenginje and destroyed all the houses, stores and shops that belonged to Sunni Arabs.”

    “When they find an IS militant corpse, they behead it and drag the body from the car in the streets,” he maintained.

    For years during Iraq’s brutal sectarian conflict, Shiite militias were accused of setting up checkpoints, abusing power, running secret prisons and operating as unofficial, and unchecked, security forces. The power of Shiite militias is a major point of contention for Sunni Arabs who have been persecuted by Shiite forces.

    Pola Ahmed, director of Daquq security station south of Kirkuk, said, “IS still controls several areas within Kirkuk’s borders. The security authorities, with the help of the Iraqi army, have a plan to retake those areas and the Shiite militants are expected to participate in the operation. This has raised grave concerns among the Sunnis.

    Ahmed added, “We have been approached by Sunni Arabs in those areas via tribal leaders. They have informed us that they would like to have the Peshmerga forces attack their areas and that they are ready to surrender themselves and their arms to Peshmerga forces on the condition that Shiite militants can’t attack their areas,” Ahmed added.

    Abbas Abdulhussein, commander of Suleiman Beg front south of Kirkuk, told Rudaw, “All of the volunteers have come for jihad against IS. Every battalion has a commander and all of the commanders are under the command of (Badr leader) Hadi al-Ameri who carries out the orders of the highest Shiite clerics.”

    “The Shiite jihadists have the right to take the lives and properties of those Sunni Arabs who have fought along with IS, because they had taken the lives and properties of Shiites. They have killed dozens of Shiite police, soldiers and citizens and they continue to do so,” Abdulhussein added.

    Abdulhussein said, “We believe that those who lived under the IS command are considered IS members. There are no impartial people under the authority of IS.”

    A security source who spoke on condition of anonymity said Iranian militants are being trained near the town of Taza in Kirkuk province.

    “All of the members of that military unit are Iranians affiliated with (Iran’s) Quds army. Their first mission is to retake the Bashir village, which is under IS control,” he said.

    The Shiites militias have established several checkpoints on the Kirkuk-Baghdad road.

    The director of security in the town of Tuz Khurmatu in Salahaddin province south of Kirkuk, said the Peshmerga worked well with the Shiite militias on anti-IS missions but their relationship has deteriorated over the past few weeks.

    They “attacked our checkpoint at Khurmatu gate, but we repelled the attack,” he said. “The Shiite militants, on a daily basis, make problems for Kurds inside the town of Khurmatu.”


    in other news the Iraqi army is fighting together with Sunni Arab militias against IS in Anbar province.

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1221 - October 02, 2014, 05:41 PM

    https://twitter.com/Feeney4Batman/status/517518569035145216

    Quote
    #ISIS advances to within 2km of #Kurdish City #Kobane in #Syria http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-news-update-kurdish-city-syria-turkey-border-kobane-might-fall-islamic-state-1698145 … #YPG @TaraFatehi @BlogsofWar


  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1222 - October 02, 2014, 05:50 PM

    Yeah they are in the southern suburbs of Kobane now :(

    Turkey continues to block for weapons and volunteers to YPG.

    YPG is evacuating civilians and are preparing for street-for-street combat. They allegedly have prepared several defense zones. However ISIS has heavy artillery probably seized from the 5 Iraqi divisions that fled Mosul in Iraq.

    PKK's Abdullah Öcalan has declared that if Kobane is massacred, peace talks with Turkey will end.

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1223 - October 02, 2014, 05:57 PM

    Turkey; more to the point Erdogan (or howevs that is spelt) is reallyyyyy starting to piss me off!

    What you want? Join forces with a group that you already in discussion with who are not quite to nutso as the other group you really don't want to play with, or support in a backwards way the nutso group?

    Feck sake Turkey, get your act together!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1224 - October 02, 2014, 10:23 PM

    Surely Turkey has a long standing issue with Kurdish separatists and they aren't about to help them to increase their capabilities?
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1225 - October 02, 2014, 10:28 PM

    Yes they do, I agree and understand that, it is just I think a civil relationship with the Kurds with cooperation is better than standing back from tackling a bigger threat in terms of Daesh (IS/ISIS).

    Daesh wants to take over all of Turkey, Kurds only want part of it.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1226 - October 02, 2014, 11:54 PM

    Yeah they are in the southern suburbs of Kobane now :(

    Turkey continues to block for weapons and volunteers to YPG.

    YPG is evacuating civilians and are preparing for street-for-street combat. They allegedly have prepared several defense zones. However ISIS has heavy artillery probably seized from the 5 Iraqi divisions that fled Mosul in Iraq.

    PKK's Abdullah Öcalan has declared that if Kobane is massacred, peace talks with Turkey will end.


    Is Ocalan communicating now? I thought he was under no contact with the outside. Okay I looked it up. Oh, wow. They have made some major concessions. Good.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1227 - October 02, 2014, 11:58 PM

    YPG also organises Christian Assyrians. They are very big on minorities' and women's rights.

    I'm always sceptical of choosing 'good guys' in regions which have a patriarchal and/or honour culture, but it would be sweet if the YPG promoted minority and women's rights to differentiate themselves from IS in the same way Islam banned alcohol to differentiate itself from Christianity.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1228 - October 03, 2014, 08:22 AM

    Nikolaj,

    Well the "ISIS is against everyone".is a very well-known saying to justify US and its allies to support, fund and arm the "rebels" in Syria.

    Syrian Rebel Demonstration Burns American Flag in Homs Countryside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5bSTJgnEE

    I am not saying that I am a huge fan of Bashar al-Assad, but you are one of those who only like to read the sources that are one-sided against governmets that US and its allies hate.

    This just happened recently,
    Car bomb FSA attacks on School, killed +45 kids:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9UVmFF7wbA

    There are many other crimes and violences that have been committed by FSA, Al Nusra and other "innocent" and "moderate" "rebels" that I can find.
    Also, what I don't understand is, everytime a group of civillians killed, it is always "BASHAR DID IT!!!" and the bad things about "moderate" "rebels" are never shown on pro-US-and-its-allies media.

    P/S: I am not saying that Syrian govt is innocent.


    Religions + Politics = Problem
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1229 - October 03, 2014, 08:35 AM

    Well the "ISIS is against everyone".is a very well-known saying to justify US and its allies to support, fund and arm the "rebels" in Syria.

    Only recently. And ISIS *IS* fighting everyone. Just ask Jabhat al-Nusra.

    Syrian Rebel Demonstration Burns American Flag in Homs Countryside: http://youtu.be/tg5bSTJgnEE

    Freedom of expression. It doesn't say whom organised it.

    I am not saying that I am a huge fan of Bashar al-Assad, but you are one of those who only like to read the sources that are one-sided against governmets that US and its allies hate.

    Not really. I think you should take some time before judging people like that. I am very critical of the US' foreign policy.

    Also you might want to read this thread by one of our own Syrians and perhaps some of his earlier posts and their threads:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27399.0

    This just happened recently,
    Car bomb FSA attacks on School, killed +45 kids:
    http://youtu.be/Z9UVmFF7wbA

    I know - see my post here:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=23258.msg785445#msg785445

    Also you should warn when you post videos which show children's torn off limbs.

    There are many other crimes and violences that have been committed by FSA, Al Nusra and other "innocent" and "moderate" "rebels" that I can find.
    Also, what I don't understand is, everytime a group of civillians killed, it is always "BASHAR DID IT!!!" and the bad things about "moderate" "rebels" are never shown on pro-US-and-its-allies media.

    Yes there are. And some people do that. But what does that have to do with me?

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
  • Previous page 1 ... 39 40 4142 43 ... 79 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »