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 Topic: Hi from the north of England :)

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  • Hi from the north of England :)
     OP - April 10, 2014, 07:05 AM

    Hi all,

    I've been a long-time lurker, and am seriously impressed with the level of thought displayed by some of you CEMB folks (just this morning I was reading Happy Murtad's blog).

    As you can guess from my username, I'm really struggling with the cultural influences that were implanted in me as a child, and I guess in a way I don't want to admit what's going on..... To paraphrase a certain Sith Lord, I guess my family would say "I find your lack of faith disturbing" Wink

    Having been brought up in a very conservative (increasingly so on in the last couple of decades) household, it's hard for me to publicly admit that I'm not in any way an orthodox Muslim. Ever since I was a child, I was questioning most of what I experienced in life, and there were never really any suitable answers from a theological point of view.

    My family simply accepted what they were being told (and to be fair to them, followed on from what generations before them had done in their Kashmiri homelands) and even questioning whether there was a god was completely beyond the pale. Due to my questioning nature this led me to higher education away from my home town, and further exposure to philosophy and rational thought.

    I know deep down inside how I feel, but it makes me feel incredibly lonely as the majority of my excellent friends are from secular middle class English backgrounds, and it's very hard to communicate experience of life as a 2nd generation immigrant.

    I have a family now, and my non-muslim wife is probably more orthodox than I am Wink , I have absolutely no intention of forcing my kids into learning stuff the way I had to. If I love them, I have to let them make their choices, albeit I will be leaning towards taking an evidence-based scientific view of things (admittedly not so easy when discussing moral/ethical issues, but can explain much of the world around us without resorting to superstitions).

    The beauty of the internet is it's opened up spaces where we can be ourselves, and in my case, ask for a bit of support and encouragement. In truth, my shifting sense of identity is causing me a lot of psychological conflict and pain. I love my wider family, but I wish they would accept not everyone wants to blindly buy into their culture.

    In peace,

    Wavering
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #1 - April 10, 2014, 07:25 AM

    Welcome!  parrot

    It sounds like you have a pretty good head on your shoulders. You are still a believer, then? It sounds like a lot of what you're rejecting is the cultural stranglehold.

    It is very refreshing, nevertheless, to hear your perspectives on parenting. It's an odd one to hear, if you do still believe in the actual theology of Islam. I wish more theists were like that!

    Anyway, glad to have you here.
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #2 - April 10, 2014, 08:01 AM

    hey Wavering welcome to the forum, great to have you here  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #3 - April 10, 2014, 08:22 AM

    Welcome. Have a parrot. parrot

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #4 - April 10, 2014, 08:35 AM

    Welcome, wavering!  parrot bunny
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #5 - April 10, 2014, 08:48 AM

    Welcome to the forum !

      signwelcome

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #6 - April 10, 2014, 08:54 AM

    Greetings、salutations and felicitations to you! parrot
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #7 - April 10, 2014, 09:07 AM

    Welcome Akhi,  Smiley
     bunny parrot
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #8 - April 10, 2014, 09:17 AM

    Thanks for the many kind welcoming messages, I look forward to contributing to the forums.
    All the very best to you, be well Smiley
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #9 - April 10, 2014, 10:36 AM

    Always nice to see another Brit, Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #10 - April 10, 2014, 11:16 AM

    Yep - and not too far from you apparently, Quod - have seen Kyuss, Bruce Dickinson, Amplifier at Rock City, as well as plenty of Friday/Saturday nights there! Being a metaller is not conducive to getting on with one's Muslim family.

    Especially not when it leads to the rave scene and erm.... assisted mind expansion and consciousness, shall we say...
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #11 - April 10, 2014, 11:22 AM

    Oh, and a fellow lover of metal as well? mysmilie_977

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #12 - April 10, 2014, 01:34 PM

    Welcome Wavering. Salutations from Havering! Smiley
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #13 - April 10, 2014, 01:46 PM

    welcome  far away hug

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #14 - April 10, 2014, 08:46 PM

     parrot

    Welcome! Kashmiri, eh? I have always loved the pheran. Beautiful dress.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #15 - April 10, 2014, 11:46 PM

    Welcome

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #16 - April 13, 2014, 07:46 PM

    Sorry I have a massive urge to do this please don't be offended...

    "Omg like, I cannae believe you signed up like, aye me ken like."

    I heartedly apologies.

    Can anyone provide me with a decent challenge?
  • Re: Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #17 - April 13, 2014, 10:16 PM

    Yep - and not too far from you apparently, Quod - have seen Kyuss, Bruce Dickinson, Amplifier at Rock City, as well as plenty of Friday/Saturday nights there! Being a metaller is not conducive to getting on with one's Muslim family.

    Especially not when it leads to the rave scene and erm.... assisted mind expansion and consciousness, shall we say...


    No no no not psy trance! not psy trance! Trance music is the epitome of evil. Hippies! ewwww! What would your Burzum devotee grandfather say?

    Industrial techno is a much more rewarding experience, especially when coupled with cheap nasty amphetamines. The sensation is akin to being beaten over the head with a crowbar for six hours without reprieve.
  • Hi from the north of England :)
     Reply #18 - April 15, 2014, 10:35 AM

    Hello!

    (From the North of London :p )

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
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