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  • Scotland
     Reply #30 - September 14, 2014, 09:41 AM
    ^ I don't even believe our votes are counted, perhaps only for local council seats, i've only ever voted once and never again, the big guys figure it all out amongst themselves years in advance, voting day is just theatre.  Direct democracy is just a dream but i agree with musivore it is a scary thought that we dumbed down plebonians with zero education in politics could ever make important decisions   : ) 
  • Scotland
     Reply #31 - September 14, 2014, 10:28 AM
    Its a pretty simple question, in my opinion.

    How could any sane person walk into a polling station, look at a ballot paper which asks "should your country be an independent nation?"  and tick the box marked no. 

    Nobody in their right minds would do that.  Anything else is just bribery or scare tactics.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Scotland
     Reply #32 - September 14, 2014, 03:16 PM
    You make perfect sense Cheetah. Yet I am selfishly drawn to us sticking together, albeit with greater devolution for all, something which Scotland would continue to lead the way with given a No vote. Other selfish reasons that I have for us to stay together are that we seem stronger and more  influential together, we have a better chance of having Labour govts if together, and we also have a better chance of staying in Europe if we are together. To add to this, a divorce will be messy and will lead to a drawn out period of uncertainty, leading to medium-term turmoil and inevitable investor flight, which the UK as a whole seems ill able to afford, given other headwinds we are facing.

    But I am willing to be more sympathetic to a Yes vote if my concerns were allayed regarding the following:
    - The currency union plan seems hazy at best, and nuts at worst. It is only likely to be agreed by the BofE with the imposition of fiscal and monetary constraints on Scotland. In effect, this will preserve the status quo, so how can that be considered independence? As far as I can tell, Scotland has no other means of bank rolling against currency runs and spikes in debt interest that small, heavily indebted countries like Scotland face in today's climate.
    - Uncertainty of an independent Scotland being allowed into the EU, especially given the obstacles that Spain will present. And it seems ironic that the fear of being taken out Europe is one of the main arguments that Yes are pushing?


     
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #33 - September 14, 2014, 03:22 PM
    Quote
    Yet I am selfishly drawn to us sticking together,


    And I suppose that's the end of Scottish independence in your head, no matter what currency you're promised.  If you really wanted an independent country you'd use shirt buttons if you had to.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Scotland
     Reply #34 - September 14, 2014, 03:26 PM
    Sounds risky to me. Could be chaos for a long time. But I'm not Scottish, and I share none of your (Northern Irish?) sympathies for the Scots plight. They just could have thought about this aspect of things better? It is important?
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #35 - September 14, 2014, 03:28 PM
    Oh, I thought from your post above, where you listed your concerns about currency and the EU that you were Scottish.

    My mistake.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Scotland
     Reply #36 - September 14, 2014, 03:31 PM
    That's ok...
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #37 - September 16, 2014, 07:05 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk&feature=em-hot
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #38 - September 19, 2014, 04:18 AM
    Rick Astley - Together Forever: http://youtu.be/yPYZpwSpKmA

     There ain't no mistaking
     It's true love we're making
    Something to last for all time
    It's never changing
    Can't you hear me, I'm saying
    I want you for the rest of my life
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #39 - September 19, 2014, 04:26 AM
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #40 - September 19, 2014, 04:58 AM
    ^ suitably upset I see...then again, is that a tache or a frown? I struggle to tell those apart
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #41 - September 19, 2014, 05:04 AM
    There's some interesting pics, including monks going to vote and a lad playing a bagpipe with fire.





    Anyway, looks like the Scots are voting no. Alex Salmond isn't looking happy.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #42 - September 19, 2014, 05:06 AM
    Now, do the rest of the British people get to vote whether to keep Scotland or kick them out of the Union?  Cheesy
  • Scotland
     Reply #43 - September 19, 2014, 05:27 AM
    I'll keep her.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #44 - September 19, 2014, 05:41 AM
    Lol.

    Quod, you're from England? Do you ever sleep?
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #45 - September 19, 2014, 05:56 AM
    [Quote/ from Quod/ that I somehow fucked up/ My fucking stupidity knows no bounds]

    Anyway, looks like the Scots are voting no. Alex Salmond isn't looking happy.


    [/quote]

    Salmond looks like he's had a heavy night clubbing, and is now struggling in the taxi home. I have had nights like that, I feel for him, I really do.
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #46 - September 19, 2014, 06:04 AM
    There aren't quite as many stupid comments on this thread as I expected.
    fuck you
  • Scotland
     Reply #47 - September 19, 2014, 06:18 AM
    Whoooah welcome back brother  Smiley

    Or have you been around and I've missed you? Only recently returned to Islam myself
    Hi
  • Scotland
     Reply #48 - September 19, 2014, 07:22 AM
    THE COLONEL'S BACK!!!!!!!!

     cheers great happydance Punk 001_wub fest42 sloshed far away hug
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #49 - September 19, 2014, 10:08 AM
    musivore you went back to Islam?  Why?  Huh?
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Scotland
     Reply #50 - September 19, 2014, 10:12 AM
    Maybe he meant the topic 'Islam', not Islam itself Maya.
  • Scotland
     Reply #51 - September 19, 2014, 10:18 AM
    awesome result  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Scotland
     Reply #52 - September 19, 2014, 11:32 AM
    It seems that we get to financially support our Scottish neighbours in perpetuity.

    Cosmic !!!  (spoken with more than a hint of sarcasm)

  • Scotland
     Reply #53 - September 19, 2014, 11:41 AM
    And so, the battle lost, Alex Salmond returns to the highlands and lays down in the sacred place. As he returns to slumber, hidden away in the dark with Mel Gibson and dancing haggis filling his dreams, he reflects. According to legend, centuries from now, when Scotland needs him most, Alex Salmond will return. Perhaps then, the people will finally be ready.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #54 - September 19, 2014, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: billy on September 19, 2014, 10:18 AM
    awesome result  Afro

    Damn.. I don't like that results..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Scotland
     Reply #55 - September 19, 2014, 11:50 AM
    You wanted Scotland to vote yes?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scotland
     Reply #56 - September 19, 2014, 11:53 AM
    I have to say I am surprised and think it was the scare tactics.
  • Scotland
     Reply #57 - September 19, 2014, 12:06 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 19, 2014, 11:50 AM
    You wanted Scotland to vote yes?

    Yap  actually  I want every home should be a separate country ...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Scotland
     Reply #58 - September 19, 2014, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on September 19, 2014, 11:53 AM
    I have to say I am surprised and think it was the scare tactics.

    Or the realism.

    I read a great article by a Scottish writer who joined the Yes campaign half way through and was told immediately to ask no questions and go along with it because the cause was just and all would be perfect in the perfect future (remind you of anything?).

    But he saw any number of different groups with different, and wholly incompatible, views of this perfect future, and resented not being allowed to ask questions. So he left.

    (Can't remember his name, so no link. Sorry.)


    Having said that, I'm sad they didn't vote yes. My first instinct is always to destroy and recreate. Happily I confine this urge to digging up lousy gardens and rebuilding lousy buildings rather than lopping people's heads off with my machete.
  • Scotland
     Reply #59 - September 19, 2014, 01:18 PM
    Quote from: David on September 19, 2014, 12:28 PM

    Having said that, I'm sad they didn't vote yes. My first instinct is always to destroy and recreate. Happily I confine this urge to digging up lousy gardens and rebuilding lousy buildings rather than lopping people's heads off with my machete.

    David  your first  instinct is  a great instinct and that is how the world used to be in medieval times .. I am also sad as I am NOT British  but I also like this  from  Amrika

    One  in Four  Americans open to secession: Reuters/Ipsos poll
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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