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  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     OP - May 07, 2013, 10:46 PM
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    Are you prepared to meet your robot overlords?
    The idea of superintelligent machines may sound like the plot of "The Terminator" or "The Matrix," but many experts say the idea isn't far-fetched. Some even think the singularity — the point at which artificial intelligence can match, and then overtake, human smarts — might happen in just 16 years.
    But nearly every computer scientist will have a different prediction for when and how the singularity will happen.
    Some believe in a utopian future, in which humans can transcend their physical limitations with the aid of machines. But others think humans will eventually relinquish most of their abilities and gradually become absorbed into artificial intelligence (AI)-based organisms, much like the energy making machinery in our own cells. [5 Reasons to Fear Robots]
    Singularity near?
    In his book "The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology" (Viking, 2005), futurist Ray Kurzweil predicted that computers will be as smart as humans by 2029, and that by 2045, "computers will be billions of times more powerful than unaided human intelligence," Kurzweil wrote in an email to LiveScience.
    "My estimates have not changed, but the consensus view of AI scientists has been changing to be much closer to my view," Kurzweil wrote.


    Read more
    http://news.yahoo.com/intelligent-robots-overtake-humans-2100-experts-194226980.html
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #1 - May 07, 2013, 11:36 PM
    Nah.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #2 - May 07, 2013, 11:38 PM
    Nah wot?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #3 - May 07, 2013, 11:40 PM
    http://thesingularityfilm.com/
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #4 - May 07, 2013, 11:44 PM
    We're not as far from the Singularity as the general public thinks. The problem is that people tend to conflate intelligence with consciousness. Just because machines are not conscious doesn't mean they're not incredibly intelligent.

    Scientists often test animals' intelligence using puzzle-solving experiments, and today a computer can easily solve the most complicated puzzle way quicker than any animal—including humans.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #5 - May 07, 2013, 11:50 PM
    Humans aren't really all that bright.

    One thing I have noted about all these apocalyptic robot scenarios is that they all assume the robots will be programmed to act more or less like humans. Take the Terminator movies. The central part of the plot was that the head computer thingy saw humans as a threat to its existence. However, there's no logical reason for a computer to care about that. Caring about it is an emotional response, not a purely logical one. Unless said pooter was programmed to be paranoid and self-preserving at any cost, it's not going to behave like they do in the movies.
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  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #6 - May 07, 2013, 11:53 PM
    Computers/robots by themselves won't become 'intelligent' (or at least not by 2100) in the sense of being alive and thinking creatively, ok, the merging thing -so more like humans enhanced, that makes sense.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #7 - May 07, 2013, 11:59 PM
    I don't think AI will experience emotions and existential struggle, which is what makes humans need to express themselves creatively, anytime soon. But as far as creativity in and of itself goes, computers are already very creative.

    Virtual composer makes beautiful music—and stirs controversy
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #8 - May 08, 2013, 12:00 AM
    Thing is, as robots get more able, we probably will need to end up legislating something like Asimov's Laws of Robotics, which is definitely going to get tricky with respect to military bots (and the military are totally going to love bots).
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  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #9 - May 08, 2013, 12:06 AM
    Abood: I'm not talking about creativity in terms of arts and music, I mean the sense of creativity which sparks a scientist to come up with an innovative view of the world, technology etc -Imagination. Robots can take what they're given and execute rules they're set. They can't surpass the system they're set in.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #10 - May 08, 2013, 12:12 AM
    All the robots would have to do is switch off the internet. Then we'd all suddenly be stupid again.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #11 - May 08, 2013, 12:14 AM
    What makes you think having the internet on stops people being stupid?
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  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #12 - May 08, 2013, 12:16 AM
    Stupid people can be experts on everything with google and wiki.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #13 - May 08, 2013, 12:21 AM
    Works for me.  dance
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  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #14 - May 08, 2013, 12:23 AM
    Computers have already overtaken humans in the financial industry, and even the people involved in the industry have lost control over them.

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    Algorithms Take Control of Wall Street

    ....

    That increasingly describes the entire financial system. Over the past decade, algorithmic trading has overtaken the industry. From the single desk of a startup hedge fund to the gilded halls of Goldman Sachs, computer code is now responsible for most of the activity on Wall Street. (By some estimates, computer-aided high-frequency trading now accounts for about 70 percent of total trade volume.) Increasingly, the market’s ups and downs are determined not by traders competing to see who has the best information or sharpest business mind but by algorithms feverishly scanning for faint signals of potential profit.

    Algorithms have become so ingrained in our financial system that the markets could not operate without them. At the most basic level, computers help prospective buyers and sellers of stocks find one another—without the bother of screaming middlemen or their commissions. High-frequency traders, sometimes called flash traders, buy and sell thousands of shares every second, executing deals so quickly, and on such a massive scale, that they can win or lose a fortune if the price of a stock fluctuates by even a few cents. Other algorithms are slower but more sophisticated, analyzing earning statements, stock performance, and newsfeeds to find attractive investments that others may have missed. The result is a system that is more efficient, faster, and smarter than any human.

    It is also harder to understand, predict, and regulate. Algorithms, like most human traders, tend to follow a fairly simple set of rules. But they also respond instantly to ever-shifting market conditions, taking into account thousands or millions of data points every second. And each trade produces new data points, creating a kind of conversation in which machines respond in rapid-fire succession to one another’s actions. At its best, this system represents an efficient and intelligent capital allocation machine, a market ruled by precision and mathematics rather than emotion and fallible judgment.

    But at its worst, it is an inscrutable and uncontrollable feedback loop. Individually, these algorithms may be easy to control but when they interact they can create unexpected behaviors—a conversation that can overwhelm the system it was built to navigate. On May 6, 2010, the Dow Jones Industrial Average inexplicably experienced a series of drops that came to be known as the flash crash, at one point shedding some 573 points in five minutes. Less than five months later, Progress Energy, a North Carolina utility, watched helplessly as its share price fell 90 percent. Also in late September, Apple shares dropped nearly 4 percent in just 30 seconds, before recovering a few minutes later.

    These sudden drops are now routine, and it’s often impossible to determine what caused them. But most observers pin the blame on the legions of powerful, superfast trading algorithms—simple instructions that interact to create a market that is incomprehensible to the human mind and impossible to predict.

    For better or worse, the computers are now in control.

    ....

    Wired

  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #15 - May 12, 2013, 10:18 AM
    Quote from: Abood on May 07, 2013, 11:44 PM
    The problem is that people tend to conflate intelligence with consciousness.

    That's because it is linked. For instance, let's take a simple rock. That rock is able to do some incredibly hard computations that basically take into account every single atom it contains, and the influence that every single atom of the galaxy has one every one of it's atom. That's more than what we will ever be able to compute with all humans and all the computer we build put together. However, the rock is not intelligent. It's just mechanically doing that. It's the same for computers and robots. They do think mechanically. And self-programming AI are still in their infancy, and without a big scope of possible behavior for now.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #16 - May 12, 2013, 11:37 AM
    Uh, what? A rock would not be able to pass any puzzle test administered to it.

    Ask a rock what's 2+2, it won't be able to give you any answer. But ask a computer, and it'll tell you 4.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #17 - May 12, 2013, 05:26 PM
    Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on May 12, 2013, 10:18 AM
    That rock is able to do some incredibly hard computations that basically take into account every single atom it contains, and the influence that every single atom of the galaxy has one every one of it's atom.


    I don't think you're using the word "computations" right.

    Either way, I, for one, welcome our intelligent robot overlords.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #18 - May 12, 2013, 05:55 PM
    I think what he means is, it's in the 'nature' of the rock to be what it is (as complex the laws of physics that it obeys is it will still be confined), as will be robotics  -limitations defined by us humans.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #19 - May 12, 2013, 07:54 PM
    To be brief:

    In information science, "intelligence" is the ability to elaborate solutions in spite of incomplete data.
    In other words, intelligence is the ability to make guesses.
    In other other words, intelligence is the ability to make errors.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #20 - May 12, 2013, 09:05 PM
    Quote from: Stardust on May 12, 2013, 05:55 PM
    I think what he means is, it's in the 'nature' of the rock to be what it is (as complex the laws of physics that it obeys is it will still be confined), as will be robotics  -limitations defined by us humans.

    Intelligence requires taking input and giving output.

    Arguing that a rock is like a computer has zero logic. A rock has absolutely no method of communication, whereas a computer does. It wouldn't be a computer otherwise, as you wouldn't be able to give it commands.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #21 - May 12, 2013, 09:09 PM
    I think you also need to keep in mind that creativity is a result of and limited by natural processes. It's not like humans transcended their nature and therefore became creative. So arguing that computers need to be able to "transcend" their programming to be considered creative doesn't follow.

    Creativity is about doing something that steps out of the box, something unpredictable, unthought-of. And computers already do that, as the article I posted above argues.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #22 - May 13, 2013, 02:10 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 12, 2013, 11:37 AM
    Ask a rock what's 2+2, it won't be able to give you any answer. But ask a computer, and it'll tell you 4.

    No. Unless you did install a voice recognition software and a microphone and…, but that's not the point. The point was that the rock could be seen as some kind of analog computer, only one that does only compute something we are not interested about.
    Now let's take the example of another kind of analog computer : a abacus. Is the abacus intelligent ? Of course not. It's an inert piece of wood. Can it help you do computations at least twice as fast ? Yes. It's a good tool. But it's not intelligent, it is merely designed to help you in your intelligent process. It's the same with the computer, only the tool is more complex. More complex, but just as inert.
    Quote from: Abood on May 12, 2013, 09:05 PM
    A rock has absolutely no method of communication

    Not true. It can communicate by, say, it's speed. For instance, if you do wonder how fast one particular rock would fall if it fell from, say, Big Ben. Then let me go up to Big Ben, let this particular rock fall on you, and it will indeed compute (in an analog computer way, which is in no way less valid than the numerical computer way), with an infinite precision the speed at which it must fall, and then give you the answer, again in an analog way. It's true it won't give you the answer numerically, but it will give it analogically. In no way is this less valid. And if you really want some numerical answer, but something at the bottom of Big Ben to measure it's speed and convert it to a numerical value.
    Quote from: Abood on May 12, 2013, 09:05 PM
    It wouldn't be a computer otherwise, as you wouldn't be able to give it commands.

    Why, some “computers” are build specifically to solve one, and only one problem. They are not all general purpose computer. And generally speaking, a computer that would be designed to solve only one problem, with only one fixed input, could be made much much much more efficient than a general purpose computer. I can try to find examples of such kind of computers being actually build.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #23 - May 13, 2013, 03:22 PM
    A rock doesn't "calculate" anything. That's just silly, and a huge stretch of the term.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #24 - May 13, 2013, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 13, 2013, 03:22 PM
    A rock doesn't "calculate" anything. That's just silly, and a huge stretch of the term.

    Nor does a computer, if you really think about it.

    If I gave you a completely blank computer, you're probably better off using a rock to compute something Tongue
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #25 - May 13, 2013, 07:52 PM
    What?
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #26 - May 13, 2013, 08:15 PM
    At the level of hardware, a computer is ultimately a collection of logic gates that have certain relations with each other. Using one for computational purposes - as far as we humans understand them - involves translating algorithms into sequential operations of these logic gates. Take away the abstractions that make the feeding in of algorithms possible, and it may well be more efficient to use the rock.
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  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #27 - May 13, 2013, 08:37 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 13, 2013, 07:52 PM
    What?

    If I locked you in a room and gave you unlimited access to a completely blank modern computer with a monitor, keyboard and mouse... you could not do anything with it, except watch the BIOS pass the Power On Self Test and then complain about having nothing to boot from.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #28 - May 13, 2013, 10:12 PM
    Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on May 12, 2013, 10:18 AM
    That's because it is linked. For instance, let's take a simple rock. That rock is able to do some incredibly hard computations that basically take into account every single atom it contains, and the influence that every single atom of the galaxy has one every one of it's atom. That's more than what we will ever be able to compute with all humans and all the computer we build put together.

    What a strange argument. On one hand you're saying rocks are doing "incredibly hard computations" (no idea what definition of computing you're using there). On the other hand you're saying things comprising of physical components no less functional than rocks (that must, by your definition, already be doing those "incredibly hard computations" by merely existing) are incapable of doing those computations.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Intelligent Robots Will Overtake Humans by 2100, Experts Say
     Reply #29 - May 14, 2013, 07:33 AM
    Quote from: toor on May 13, 2013, 08:15 PM
    At the level of hardware, a computer is ultimately a collection of logic gates that have certain relations with each other. Using one for computational purposes - as far as we humans understand them - involves translating algorithms into sequential operations of these logic gates. Take away the abstractions that make the feeding in of algorithms possible, and it may well be more efficient to use the rock.

    That's kind of like saying that if you took away a human's language, it wouldn't be intelligent. Yeah, so?
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