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  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     OP - December 21, 2012, 11:37 AM
    Watch the full discussion tomorrow on Al Jazeera (Sky channel 514) at 8pm UK time.

    Here's a preview. Should be interesting...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99UlZEflXbc
    .
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #1 - December 21, 2012, 02:23 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on December 21, 2012, 11:37 AM
    Watch the full discussion tomorrow on Al Jazeera (Sky channel 514) at 8pm UK time.

    Here's a preview. Should be interesting...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99UlZEflXbc

     Richard Dawkins doesn't know how to sing songs,  he  is not right guy to debate a fool who believes man split moon .. it should have been Christopher Hitchens. Damn I miss he insulting fools .

    This scoundrel is MODERATE MUSLIM?? ..this pathetic lying double talking  idiot is MODERATE MUSLIM?   such rogues are more dangerous than  Osama bin ladens

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udbYtSMDns

    err.... he talks about civil liberties.   I am not sure why Richard Dawkins debating this Islamic maggot..  may be  he doesn't know that fool
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #2 - December 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
    Didn't Mehdi Hassan die in June Huh?

    According to Wikipedia
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #3 - December 21, 2012, 02:49 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on December 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
    Didn't Mehdi Hassan die in June Huh?

    According to Wikipedia


     that is my Mehdi Hassan TheDarkRebel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz12MV7Tvdw

    here is DARK MEHDI Hassan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt-0Q

    he is young and alive in London.. Thanks to allah doll..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #4 - December 25, 2012, 04:08 AM
    Here is the full debate. It is a discussion not a debate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Xn60Zw03A
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #5 - December 26, 2012, 02:45 AM
    I fear the full debate isn't available. The Al Jazeera broadcast seemed to be heavily edited with some obvious frequent cutting. I'm a tad suspicious that both Adam Deen (Founder of the Deen Institute) and Myriam Francois Cerrah both got to ask questions in the Q&A in such a big room of interested folk (particularly as I'm fairly sure they and Mehdi know one another). I've also read a blog post saying that one of the audience members challenged Mehdi in the Q&A on his comments about the kuffa living as animals (as posted above in this thread). This, and his reaction, were evidently removed from the broadcast.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #6 - December 26, 2012, 02:47 AM
    Typical  Roll Eyes It is Al-Jazeera.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #7 - December 26, 2012, 02:54 AM
    Interesting chris, but not unexpected.

    In a follow up article Hasan talks about his great admiration for William Lane Craig

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #8 - December 26, 2012, 03:09 AM
    Quote from: billy on December 26, 2012, 02:54 AM
    Interesting chris, but not unexpected.

    In a follow up article Hasan talks about his great admiration for William Lane Craig




    So he admires someone who, according to his ideology has committed "shirk" the only unforgivable sin in Islam which warrants eternal punishment in hellfire?

    In other words he admires someone who his god (Allah) would be highly displeased with.  Roll Eyes

    Someone should bring that up in the Q&A of this guy's next public debate.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #9 - December 26, 2012, 04:00 AM
    Oh that article. That article was awful! I mean, wow...just awful. Here it is: enjoy!!

    "Dawkins Is Wrong. Religion Is Rational"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/dawkins-is-wrong-religion-is-rational_b_2358000.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #10 - December 26, 2012, 04:15 AM
    He's 'Political director of The Huffington Post UK'.

    I knew they were scraping the barrel with their unpaid wannabes, but that takes the biscuit.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #11 - December 26, 2012, 05:04 AM
    Looks like the Muslim apologists are taking their cues from Christian apologists again
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #12 - December 26, 2012, 12:44 PM
    Even their apologia is second hand and plaigarised
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #13 - December 26, 2012, 12:56 PM
    could some one type something like this at that link??

    Quote
    Dawkins may be  Wrong and  Mr. Mehdi Hasan's Islam  may be rational , but what I don't understand is., Why Mehdi Hasan  is interviewing Dawkins who is a non-Muslim who live like animals.  According to Mr. Hasan "Non-Muslims live like Animals"    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt-0Q  speaks volumes about Mehadi hasan.  He doesn't need to publicize animals in his al jazeera talk shows. Animals don't need publicity, Only Mehadi  Hasan  needs publicity  So British Govt can give him some sort of Peer job from tax-payers money....


    It would be nice if some one could type  something like that under that link ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVJwP_QWaIc
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #14 - December 26, 2012, 05:21 PM
    Managed to slog through that. Oh my, Mr Hasan really does like to deflect issues. Professer Dawkins did quite well considering the approach Mr hasan had taken. The whole approach was to use "tu quoque" to descredit the position of none belief. I may disagree with some Prof. Dawkins views regarding religion, however they are irrelevent since non belief has no authority and this is what Mr Hasan failed to grasp and misconstrued.  He did not conduct himself very well considering he had to write an even more shockingly bad explanation in the huffington post. What ever respect I did have for him really does diminish every time I hear him speak.

    Anyone else notice Mr Adam Deen at 43:25 in the discussion asking the classic apologetic question. I've been through this guys vids on youtube they are quite informtive for those who are interested, He is part of the "Dr" Lane craig style apologetics with Mr Hamza Tzortsis. I think this is the same guy who wanted a debate about evolution and Islam in a UK university which was called off due to safety issues.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #15 - December 26, 2012, 07:35 PM
    Yea, his question was kind of a 'poisoning the well' and was in line with the standard apologencia.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #16 - December 26, 2012, 09:07 PM
    I agree with one of Mehdi's points- the bit about multiverse theory also requiring a leap of faith albeit not in a religious sense but faith in that particular model of the universe. It probably best fits the mathematics but it's not experimentally testable in any real sense & I can't see how it is ever likely to be.

    "How seriously can we take this explanation for the friendliness of nature? Not very, I think. For a start, how is the existence of the other universes to be tested? To be sure, all cosmologists accept that there are some regions of the universe that lie beyond the reach of our telescopes, but somewhere on the slippery slope between that and the idea that there are an infinite number of universes, credibility reaches a limit. As one slips down that slope, more and more must be accepted on faith, and less and less is open to scientific verification.
    Extreme multiverse explanations are therefore reminiscent of theological discussions. Indeed, invoking an infinity of unseen universes to explain the unusual features of the one we do see is just as ad hoc as invoking an unseen Creator. The multiverse theory may be dressed up in scientific language, but in essence it requires the same leap of faith."

    Source: Paul Davies- A Brief History of the Multiverse: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/12/opinion/a-brief-history-of-the-multiverse.html?pagewanted=all
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #17 - December 26, 2012, 09:28 PM
    It's a fair comment for the moment. It may possibly become testable at some point in the future, but at the moment it's just a hypothesis or conjecture, rather than a theory as such.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #18 - December 26, 2012, 11:39 PM
    There are a lot of points that I would disagree with Dawkins on.  Religious teaching being child abuse. I get the point he's trying to say and we can all imagine a parent who tells their child as soon as they leave the house they will burn forever as being some kind of monster but telling a child about hell repeatedly, sometimes in a self serving fashion because disobeying parents is a sin, is socially acceptable. As far as the point goes I think calling it child abuse is a bit much. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #19 - December 26, 2012, 11:42 PM
    I think Hasan's part about evolution somehow 'proving' that Islam isn't true is disingenuous. It's not that evolution itself somehow disproves Islam. After all, "god did it" can always be added on top of any physical theory which is why Allah keeps the planets in rotation etc even though we never see it.  it's that the process that best evolution best describes isn't described at all in the Quran, or isn't discribed very well, or even the Quran contradicts it. Same with Christianity.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #20 - December 27, 2012, 12:08 AM
    Yes- I also agreed with him when he pointed out that a lot of good is done by people that are religiously motivated and that Dawkins tended to want to ignore that & focus on the negative. I've personally seen quite a few people become in my view better people after becoming religious but also seen some that became utter dickheads. I have no way to ascertain the ratio of good to bad though.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #21 - December 27, 2012, 12:11 AM
    I do think Dawkins does over-egg the pudding at times. Quite often though, when pressed for more detail he will qualify his statements. The sound bites tend to be more extreme than the more detailed comments.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #22 - December 27, 2012, 12:25 AM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on December 27, 2012, 12:08 AM
    ............... I've personally seen quite a few people become in my view better people after becoming religious.....................

    Hmm., you mean to say "before they were in jail and were criminal so they  became a better persons after they got out of jail and  got in to religions"??   well they have only one way to go
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #23 - December 27, 2012, 12:30 AM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on December 26, 2012, 09:07 PM
    I agree with one of Mehdi's points- the bit about multiverse theory also requiring a leap of faith albeit not in a religious sense but faith in that particular model of the universe. It probably best fits the mathematics............

    Richard Dawkins could be wrong in many fields of  science  and there are plenty of questions to explore.,.  But what is that has to do with these high school drop outs talking about Universes, parallel universes.. big bang theory , Physical constants  etc...etc... taking a silly verse from a silly book written by cave men 1000s of years back with no background in physics whatsoever?
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #24 - December 27, 2012, 12:31 AM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on December 27, 2012, 12:08 AM
    Yes- I also agreed with him when he pointed out that a lot of good is done by people that are religiously motivated and that Dawkins tended to want to ignore that & focus on the negative. I've personally seen quite a few people become in my view better people after becoming religious but also seen some that became utter dickheads. I have no way to ascertain the ratio of good to bad though.



    Yeah but I think good religious people like Martin Luther King would still have done the same good things even if they didn't have religion. I mean is anyone prepared to say that Martin Luther King would have stopped being a part of the civil rights movement if he stopped believing in Christianity. Don't think so

    They might see the bible as a metaphor for doing good things but at the end of the day it is the person's inner sense of morality that drives them to help others not the stuff they read in religious texts.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #25 - December 27, 2012, 12:42 AM
    He's a scientist and he's great at what he does and I like his take no bullshit front, but he's not a natural debater.

    I still love him though.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #26 - December 27, 2012, 01:46 AM
    ^

    In my opinion Richard Dawkins is good at debates regarding the existence of god but when it comes to debates on the social impact of religion

    noone compares to Christopher Hitchens. 

    I am sure he would have destroyed Mehdi Hassan on the spot.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #27 - December 27, 2012, 02:51 AM
    Apparently Peter Higgs finds Dawkins' approach "embarrassing".

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/dec/26/peter-higgs-richard-dawkins-fundamentalism
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #28 - December 27, 2012, 10:39 AM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on December 27, 2012, 12:31 AM
    …but at the end of the day it is the person's inner sense of morality that drives them to help others not the stuff they read in religious texts.

    yes
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on December 27, 2012, 12:31 AM
    In my opinion Richard Dawkins is good at debates regarding the existence of god but when it comes to debates on the social impact of religion noone compares to Christopher Hitchens. 

    Exactly. Hitchens would've put Hasan in his place re the negative social/political impact of religion. It's just not Dawkins speciality.
  • Mehdi Hasan debating Richard Dawkins - Sat 22nd Dec 8pm on Al Jazeera
     Reply #29 - December 27, 2012, 12:03 PM
    Quote from: chris on December 27, 2012, 02:51 AM
    Apparently Peter Higgs finds Dawkins' approach "embarrassing".

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/dec/26/peter-higgs-richard-dawkins-fundamentalism

     Peter Higgs  is close to kicking the bucket ., May be he is trying gain  some favors  from god.  Most of these big guns  don't know how to shake the real world..   As long as they are happy they don't care what goes on outside of  their world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBTwsn1T4c
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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