Before I reply your post I want to thank you for your endeavor in replying my thread, I appreciate it
Why do people focus on circumcision so much? It's done when you're a child and most of us don't even remember any pain. It doesn't affect us sexually in any way.
People focus on circumcision first of all because it is a useless thing to do if not necessary, especially when you are obliged to do it regardless if u need it or don't need it.
It is disputable if it affects us sexually or not, first of all I have talked to my friend's father he is a specialist doctor, he said that circumcised penises don't get to grow to their full potential, many circumcisions are not done properly and u end up with a crooked dick pointing either to the sky, taking a U shape, pointing to the left and so on.
I'm not saying there aren't isolated cases where a circumcision went wrong... but that's the case with anything. I'm sure there a children whose ears get infected when they get a piercing.
How does this justify circumcising infants without their consent or even piercing their ears, if piercing ears was prone to serious consequences such as circumcision where in many cases death has followed than even ear piercing should be forbidden and it should be up to the girl if she wants to wear earring or not when she grows up.
All this stuff are primitive barbaric middle age nonsense.
The other thing is that it is safer to get a circumcision when the child is young. It is a more complicated procedure and the recovery is much longer when you are an adult. By delaying the age to 16, you are denying the child the right to be circumcised as an infant and not go through the trauma of having genital surgery as a young adult.
It is not safer, I don't think it is safer, maybe it was safer 1000 years ago not now, now they perform brain surgeries and heart transplants on 50 years old people with minimal risks u are talking about removing some lame skin from the tip of the penis.
I think even 16 is too early the kid should decide if he wants to get circumcised when he is 18 and adult, what if the kid doesn't believe in this lame kind of practice
? what if they circumcise him and when he turns an adult he realizes he wouldn't have done it if he was in their parents place.
Circumcision is simply not like cutting off an arm or mutilation. Parents make a billion and one choices for their children. I really don't see whats so horrible about circumcision that people make such a big deal about it. Parents make many choices that are permanent and more impacting than circumcision. I question a lot of things my parents did right/wrong
- Did they enroll me in sports to make me nimble and fit?
- Did they expose me to enough extended family to develop my community social skills.
- Did they give me enough exposure to music to develop my musical talent?
- Were they too restrictive in my upbringing?
In many cases it is, in many cases people will get some kind of infection that will disable them sexually, this is something that can be avoided and unnecessary that is why it is better not to be done when the kid is an infant.
Of course parents make billions of wrong choices, some of those wrong choices are inevitable some of them come as the result of the parents ignorance and many of those choices can't be controlled by the state or sanctioned by law cuz it is impossible.
- Parents shouldn't enroll u by force in sports, they should only educate u and explain the positive implications of a sport also the negative implications of a sport, then it will up to u if u want to enroll a certain sport discipline or not, it is wrong to force ur kid to do something he doesn't wanna do.
- That is something that can't be controlled by the state or sanctioned by law and the state or the law can't force ignorant parents to teach their kids what they don't know, this is simple rule, if ur parents didn't educate u well or didn't expose u to enough extended family to develop ur skills that is because they were dumbfucks and didn't know better and the state can't do nothing about that, u can't ask a guy on a wheelchair to teach u kickboxing and u can't ask dumb parents or backwards parents to expose their kids to something they can't do, your parents are supposed to educate u with the best they can do then it is up to you and luck what u gonna become in life.
- If they were restrictive to the level where they abused u and stripped u from ur freedoms such as not sending u to school which is required by law or not letting u go out and keeping u locked in the basement which is also restricted and sanctioned by law is wrong, or even beating u is wrong and sanctioned by law.
It depends what u define by Strict.
If you had parents that didn't expose you to spicy food... so you grew up with the taste buds to appreciate spicy food.... awww... well... too bad. There's no need for a law like that.
This argument is problematic in so many levels, first of all the consequences of this can't be compared to the permanent consequences that a circumcision can have, secondly maybe ur parents didn't like spicy food, maybe they didn't prefer any spicy food and all they cooked at home was non-spicy food, now how would ur parents know that one day when u grow up u would have appreciated spicy food, there is no way for them to know that, secondly if u asked for spicy food when u were a kid and it was denied to u that would be a non ethical act by ur parents but if u never asked about any spicy food while u were a kid and u had no idea there is such a thing then there is no problem here because u can enjoy it later in life when u grow up, thirdly it is wrong for the government to force parents to do something they don't wanna do, fourthly how will this even be possible/? how will the government bring a law that says u should give kids spicy food, how would the government know the kid prefers spicy food in the first place
If they had some kind of mechanism that would predict that the kid madly prefers spicy food then the government could do something about it and tell their parents to feed their child some spicy food and sanction them or punish them if they refuse to do so even though this is a terrible analogy I am still considering to give it a serious reply.
The more you learn about human development, the more you will realize just how important childhood is. It is why things like ECE are so important to experts these days. Our minds are not as malleable as you would like to think. Things like how a parent treats their child has such a greater more permanent impact on a child than if they were circumcised.
Yes the more we learn about human development the more we know what to do and what not to do and the more we bring laws that will curb certain deleterious behaviors.
Things such as how parents raise their children do certainly have huge impact on who we are that is why there are laws that prohibit u from beating ur kids, mentally abusing them, denying them the rights to educate themselves, keeping them locked in a room against their will and forcing them into something that will affect them negatively.
Circumcision is one of them, it can have permanent bad consequences on a kid and it can be sanctioned, it is not like there is no way for u to know if this thing happens or not, the government can do something to sanction this practice even though I highly doubt they will stop it from happening 100% and I think it is impossible to stop it 100%.
The parent child relationship is complicated and children don't have full adult rights... they are a free-thinking adult in progress. It is just a fact that whoever raises the child WILL be making choices for them. Of those choices, circumcision is simply not one of much consequence that I think people should worry about.
Yeah we know it is complicated but just because kids don't have full adult right that doesn't mean u can rape them in the ass or treat them in such a way that is known will bring 100% negative consequences, things such as raping him, beating him, locking him up and mentally abusing him, there are laws that try to prevent these kind of actions as much as possible and circumcision is one of them, even though in most cases it has no negative effects, it sometimes has some fatal consequences and it is worth sanctioning it when it comes to circumcising kids who can't accede to it and are not able to give assent.
Of course who ever raises them will be making choices for them, this is inevitable but at least we should try to stop parents from making bad choices for them, of those choices circumcision is a choice that can have serious implications on kids health and sexuality.
Topic: Let Boys Decide at 16