I disagree. IMO the former does not.
I see. Guess which one gets all the work lol
. My point is that both can be made to look androgynous, with some make up. One is easier to make androgynous than the other. If you google the top twenty or so models, about 15 I'd guess have images of them androgynous in the last year. The important point is that the bodies of many catwalk models are androgynous. The face can be painted androgynous.
You should still check out who they choose for their own lovers and compare that against your assumptions.
I took your advice and I did. http://www.queerty.com/four-gay-fashion-designers-and-their-boy-toy-boyfriends-20120210/
What was pertinent to my argument is Karl Lagerfeld's comment about his boy toy boyfriend ->>>>> He’s been connected to his “muse,” 23-year-old Baptiste Giabiconi, whom he described as a boy version of Gisele Bündchen: “skinny, skinny but with an athletic body—good for clothes.”<<<<<<
He sorts makes my point. Good adjective 'muse' creative people need them and/or drugs. And Calvin Klein (him of 'pushing peadophilia' fame) is in there with his much much younger partner. So there must be an aspect of this playing into the choices of catwalk models. I daresay some gay designers have 'butch' boyfriends, it would be good to have evidence. Just a thought do you think partner choice is different if they fancy being bummer or bummee? Law of averages would say not many are not faithful.
The rent boy anecdote is just that: an anecdote. There are a lot of adolescent female prostitutes too.
It's not just an anecdote
>>>>'This is a huge business, growing in size and in seriousness all the time,' she said. 'The boys are getting younger<<<< Barnados policy officer TinK Palmer
>>>>Palmer has found that the average age of boys involved in prostitution is younger than that of girls. 'The age at which they first become involved tends to be younger too,' she said.<<<<
>>>>The heightened value of youth in the male sex scene means that boys find themselves in hot demand. (is this homophobic?) 'One of the biggest problems is that boys seem to reach a sell-by date by their twenties,' said Palmer. <<<<http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/dec/09/socialsciences.highereducation
I don't know how relevant this info is but the median age for first time conviction of paedophilia is 30 years for homosexuals and 34 years for heterosexuals.
Assuming seems to be your forte.
What assuming that in evolutionary terms, when possibly may have spent the most time resembling chimpanzee/bonobo-like, we wouldn't have been anything but skinny. You seen many fat chimps in the wild. A hip-to-waist ratio which is quite slim seems to the optimum fertility our ancestors strived for. Whether curvy or skinny. It is reasonable to assume that 14-16 were skinnier than not. I wouldn't say that there were many curvy 14-16 year old in hunter-gatherer society.
No, it is not beyond the realms of possibility. OTOH, you have presented absolutely zero evidence to support your claim.
Yeah, it's circumstantial. But it is possible that gay designers could have influenced her thinking and if she was indeed bisexual, perhaps at times they had the same track mind. At this time most gay designers would have been in the closet.
It could just as easily have been down to fashion's desire to do something different, given the Victorian and Edwardian styles that directly preceded the 20's.
Indeed it may have been an change from the stuffy Victorian era, but upon further reading it transpires that the roaring twenties were a time when as noted>>>> In Vice Versa: Bisexuality and the Eroticism of Everyday Life, Marjorie Garber argues "the twenties has been linked to the popularization of Freud (or "Freudianism"), the advent of World War I, and a general predilection for the daring and unconventional: bobbed hair, short skirts, the rejection of Prohibition and Victorian strictures<<<<
Popularisation of Freud - sexualisation (and drugs)lol. It seems this was a time of freeing of sexual mores, gay abandon. You asked me for evidence for androgyny/skinny in history because there have been gay designers in history, I give you evidence and suddenly it's not because of gay/bisexual designers it is something else - For instance after depression (30's), war (40's), curvy models(50's) came Twiggy who was a sensation why because >>>She was 5'6" tall (short for a model), weighed 8 stone (51 kg, 110 lbs) and had a 31-23-32 figure, "with a new kind of streamlined, androgynous sex appeal.<<<<. Oh the designers must have loved her. Or was this something to do with the sixties 'free love' era. The eighties saw a more a conservative culture and with the rise of Aids i suppose the light of gays/bisexuals dimmed. And lo and behold the skinny/androgynous models were out of fashion too.
But now we are on a good unbroken stretch of skinny models.
No. I'm saying that if non-androgynous models are common then there appears to be no strong desire to have them look like boys.
They might be common but they are not in as much demand. They are not cutting edge.
There are a lot of reports about models being told to lose weight and thin down if they want to get work. However, as far as I am aware there are no corresponding reports of models being told they need to look more like boys to get work. There are also quite a lot of models who don't look like boys and still get plenty of work.
Again they don't necessarily have to have a boys face, it can be painted on - something caught my eye to back up my musing that of some beautiful men and women looking the same - this article poses that two models, the falvour of the month Andrej Pejic and some model called Julia Nobis look androgynously similar.http://www.modelinia.com/blog/doppelganger-alert-the-striking-resemblance-between-julia-nobis-and-andrej-pejic/35260
Ok. Is your point that not everyone is LBGT?
Would you agree that the LGBT community makes up close to one in fifteen to twenty people. Just the mitigating circumstance as to why perhaps the over-representation of gays in the field of fashion design may play a part in the difference between other 'female bodies for hire' industries.
So androgyny hot, having a androgynous face is a bonus. Fashion designers are known to have young lovers (any younger - what would the papers say) and some can equate models to their boyfriends. . And skinny models make an appearance when sexual freedom is the atmosphere that gay designers can work under.