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Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
Reply #180 - February 20, 2012, 05:36 PM

If things like magazine covers and children's toys are what we're going with, then have you ever seen G.I. Joe, or any other action figures for boys? I don't know, maybe the muscular, six-pack look is more of an ideal here in the States, but certainly I've seen guys who are reasonably healthy get made fun of for being "skinny" or "fat" for not measuring up in that way.

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Reply #181 - February 20, 2012, 05:41 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on February 20, 2012, 05:21 PM
Not even close to the pressure there is on women to look a certain way.

How is this pressure forcing women to respond in the self-destructive ways described in the thread? As far as I can tell, its not.

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Reply #182 - February 20, 2012, 06:15 PM

Forcing? Gun to the head? Knife to throat? It isn't.

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If things like magazine covers and children's toys are what we're going with, then have you ever seen G.I. Joe, or any other action figures for boys? I don't know, maybe the muscular, six-pack look is more of an ideal here in the States, but certainly I've seen guys who are reasonably healthy get made fun of for being "skinny" or "fat" for not measuring up in that way.

Guys get made fun of for not looking like G.I. Joe? In the United States of Fried Chicken??
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Reply #183 - February 20, 2012, 07:46 PM

Yeah ok, we get it. Women are such victims of everything. Poor little darlings.

Hang on a minute. Didn't some women spend years fighting to prove that women aren't helpless little things and that they were the equal of men? Am I supposed to believe them or am I supposed to believe those who want to be victims? Not victims of warlords or whatever, but victims of pictures. That's real oppression, that is.

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Reply #184 - February 20, 2012, 08:12 PM

Meanwhile, in black-and-white land... zebras.
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Reply #185 - February 20, 2012, 08:14 PM

No. In the real world. There are stacks of more positive role models that any woman can choose. It's up to them. Claiming to be a victim when you have free choice trivialises those who really are being victimised.

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Reply #186 - February 20, 2012, 08:20 PM

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Reply #187 - February 20, 2012, 08:23 PM

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Reply #188 - February 20, 2012, 08:59 PM

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They hot. I used to jerk off to them frequently.

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Watch from 25:00, you are going to love the part

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Reply #189 - February 20, 2012, 09:03 PM

Link don't work.

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Reply #190 - February 20, 2012, 09:10 PM

That sucks :(, try this http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x501uj_eddie-griffin-freedom-of-speech_fun

If it doesnt work, google "Eddie Griffin Freedom of Speech"

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Reply #191 - February 20, 2012, 09:18 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on February 20, 2012, 06:15 PM
Guys get made fun of for not looking like G.I. Joe? In the United States of Fried Chicken??

Ha.

I don't sense pressure for "bodybuilder physique", either. I often hear ladies and gay men express repulsion over such a physique.

However, I do feel that a toned body (or at least one lacking a beer belly) is desired by many if not most.

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Reply #192 - February 20, 2012, 09:21 PM

Did. Dunno which bit you want though. There are all sorts of clips out of it, but none of them are 25 minutes long.

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Reply #193 - February 20, 2012, 09:33 PM

No i meant you should watch it from 25:00min not from the beginning, there is a part where he talked about masturbation using Sears catalogue by checking on the panties section and got busted by his mum in the bathroom. Too bad im using mobile, i would have find the right clip

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Reply #194 - February 20, 2012, 10:05 PM

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I often hear ladies and gay men express repulsion over such a physique.

Repulsion is not a form of pressure?
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Reply #195 - February 20, 2012, 10:34 PM

Obviously not for the bodybuilder type, as stated. As for pressure against? Possibly; personally finding something unattractive can certainly contribute to pressure against that thing but I wouldn't say it automatically creates pressure. Is there a significant number of bodybuilder physique types who are under pressure to tone down? Is a bodybuilder who puts in so much effort to keep up the physique similar to an obese emotional-eater who can put on so much body fat as easily as the bodybuilder's ability to lose muscle weight? The obvious difference is that one feels comfortable with his/her body since it's a choice while the other most likely doesn't.

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Reply #196 - February 20, 2012, 11:23 PM

Quote from: asbdsp on February 20, 2012, 06:23 AM
So many unrealistic images are promoted through media be it with regard to body image, material possessions, hyper-sexualization, etc. and all of it is used to promote products.

If advertising didn't influence the decision making processes of large numbers of human beings, it wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry.

Imagine a can of a cola drink, what brand is it?...

The first thing that probably came into your mind was coca-cola, or pepsi... you've been conditioned by media to do just that.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/201008/what-does-advertising-do

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If some people are stupid enough to extrapolate these images into a conception of a positive, healthy lifestyle then they can starve/steroid/sex themselves to death for all I care. I have very little sympathy for their "hardships".

Do you currently engage in mild or extremely self-destructive behaviour (ie., punching a wall when angry, smoking, etc), why do you persist despite conscious knowledge that it's self-destructive?

Evidence from neurology, cognitive and social psychology suggests that contra-causal free-will is a myth, and - as shown by your responses - it's also a belief that can diminish empathy.

Our decision making processes are determined by our biology, stimulus and environment, not our 'will' - even though we experience our 'conscious will' as primarily determining behaviour, it's simply an experiential illusion unsupported by science.

If you think you have contra-causal free will you're simply deluded...

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Behavioral Health: Mental illness, addiction, obesity, and other behavioral disorders are too often misunderstood as failures of will. Instead, we can understand dysfunctional behavior as fully caused by the interaction of genetic and environmental factors. This understanding reduces the stigma associated with behavioral disorders, while pointing the way toward effective treatment. Naturalism supports the development of psychotherapeutic and self-change techniques that apply a causal view of behavior. Properly presented, challenging conventional wisdom about the self and free will is a powerful means to increase life satisfaction and deepen interpersonal relationships. See Addiction and Behavioral Health. - http://www.naturalism.org/conseque.htm

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Reply #197 - February 20, 2012, 11:24 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on February 20, 2012, 08:14 PM
No. In the real world. There are stacks of more positive role models that any woman can choose. It's up to them. Claiming to be a victim when you have free choice trivialises those who really are being victimised.

See above post.

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Reply #198 - February 20, 2012, 11:28 PM

Despite an excellent and cogent late entry by strangestdude that makes some very good points, The Rapist declares this thread played-out and now boring.

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Reply #199 - February 20, 2012, 11:41 PM

Quote from: strangestdude on February 20, 2012, 11:24 PM
See above post.

Seen it. And?

ETA: To elaborate, do you wish to claim that humans are merely robots who have zero control over their actions?

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Reply #200 - February 21, 2012, 12:36 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on February 17, 2012, 04:18 AM
Since there seem to be a lot of gay men in the fashion industry, and since the fashion industry is pushing for skinnier and skinnier models then yes, it's likely that gay men are some of the people doing the pushing. That doesn't mean that nobody else in the fashion industry is pushing for skinnier and skinnier models, and it doesn't mean that the reason gay men are pushing is because of their sexual preferences per se.

The gay/bisexual over-representation obviously is a powerful bloc within the industry, perhaps the most dominant force. When coupled with female ephebophillia (unconnected: Anna Wintour is lauded by the gay community)it makes the motives behind the push for skinnier and skinnier models open to question. Unlike glamour/porn(generally)/lap dancers and sports illustrated/Nuts/playboy which are most probably chosen by heterosexual urges they are not pushing for skinnier and skinnier girls. Plus heterosexuals in the fashion industry probably need to use the same pool of models the leading gay/bisexual designers are using to maintain parity/recognition. It makes no sense for model agenicies to employ any other type.

As for sexual preferences - even though Freud has been discredited for many of his theories, I still believe his view that sex and agression/survival are the two underlying drives behind humans (and before I get tarnished with projection, it is not always the case lol). Sure we have other motives but take a look at our entertainment/advertising/media and it is hard to argue otherwise.

Plus I dont know how much cocaine use, which is notably rife in the fashion industry plays a part (Perhaps that's how the models stay slim)in the decisions/actions of those working in the industry.

What is pernicious is the use of girls under sixteen (I think even sixteen is too young)for their campaigns. Why do they need to use them? Lol at that age boys and girls sorta look the same.

Maybe we can never definitively know how much the creative/highly-sexualised (than average)/cocaine-ridden/ gay designers pursue the looks of skinny models as a fetish.

Before I get denounced as a homophobe, let me balance that i think the same equation is at work in the female for looks industry run by homosexual men.

Lol - perhaps gay media influence is the reason why men wear pink, have hairless bodies etc?

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Reply #201 - February 21, 2012, 12:42 AM

You still have to explain why gay designers would want skinnier models. Their own sexual preferences don't seem to be a good explanation.

Also, female ephebophiles like young women, not anorexic ones as such.

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Reply #202 - February 21, 2012, 12:47 AM

Quote from: devilsadvokat on February 15, 2012, 12:23 AM

Tbh i have doubts about the science behind anorexia saying it is because of different-wired brains because (I maybe wrong)it seems more of a western thing than a global one.

So reading further down the thread this is borne out to be true, for western read post-industrial or you could say modern media - I mean the amount of images one is subjected to now compared to any other time in history must be astronomical and the number of people who see these images must be to the nth fold.

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Reply #203 - February 21, 2012, 12:51 AM

Why cant you just admit that you are wrong?

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Reply #204 - February 21, 2012, 01:00 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on February 21, 2012, 12:42 AM
You still have to explain why gay designers would want skinnier models. Their own sexual preferences don't seem to be a good explanation.

Because they want the models to look like adolescent boys. I like to say this does not make up the total difference between models in the heterosexual ideal world and the fashion world but imo plays a part in the push for skinnier and skinnier models.

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Reply #205 - February 21, 2012, 01:02 AM

But we've already been over that. I explained several contraindications that seemed to invalidate that theory.

To take the most obvious one, why is there no selection pressure for androgynous faces?

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Reply #206 - February 21, 2012, 01:06 AM

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Why cant you just admit that you are wrong?

Why should gay media influence be exempt from criticism for the sexualisation of society and children as a knock on, than heterosexual media influence.

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Reply #207 - February 21, 2012, 01:10 AM

Seriously are you arguing because you want to desperately win when you have been proved wrong countless times? It doesnt make you smart you know but displays your ignorance.

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Reply #208 - February 21, 2012, 01:18 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on February 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
Seen it. And?

ETA: To elaborate, do you wish to claim that humans are merely robots who have zero control over their actions?

You missed the central point...

Our decision making process is complex and determined by genetics, stimulus, and environment. The point was that your 'pull yourself together' exhortion to eating disorder suffers displayed a superficial understanding of human consciousness.

Whether you like it or not what we experience as exercising our will, or conscious decision making is actually determined...

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/is-free-will-an/

We do make decisions - noone denies that - but the point is it's a determined process, whether we like the idea or not.

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Reply #209 - February 21, 2012, 01:23 AM

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Seriously are you arguing because you want to desperately win when you have been proved wrong countless times.

Not desperately win. Truth be told - well before i read there were people who blamed size-zero on the sexuality of gay fashion designers I had already come to position that heterosexual older men in the media (older ones usually hold the purse strings) were pushing their tastes on how women should look and act in society and as knock on influence children. I had not thought about the bisexual/gay men influence has on how society should look and act, the fashion industry is one where we can see that.

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