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  • BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     OP - October 27, 2011, 10:28 AM




    *Updated with second and final part below episode 1*



    ++++++++


    Episode 1


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YFbnpyiceY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDuJJ5T5bTY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Hqx1T8zC0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuVON8uSkYs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMndWdiyf2k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQeJ_-5UNM


    ==========




    Episode 2 (updated)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6weRBmqJw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QI7GlM9Pc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpKTbHQnwUY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXshSkrnE7E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYWwatfYwA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwoNv3nT4WA



    ++++





    Pakistan has been accused of playing a double game, acting as America's ally in public while secretly training and arming its enemy in Afghanistan according to US intelligence.

    In a prison cell on the outskirts of Kabul, the Afghan Intelligence Service is holding a young man who alleges he was recruited earlier this year by Pakistan's powerful military intelligence agency, the ISI.

    He says he was trained to be a suicide bomber in the Taliban's intensifying military campaign against the Western coalition forces - and preparations for his mission were overseen by an ISI officer in a camp in Pakistan.

    After 15 days training, he was sent into Afghanistan.

     In Afghanistan we saw an insurgency that was not only getting passive support from the Pakistani army and the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI, but getting active support”

    "There were three of us. We were put into a black vehicle with black windows. The police did not stop the car because it was obviously ISI. No-one dares stop their cars. They told me... you will receive your explosive waistcoat, and then go and explode it."
    Taliban bases in Pakistan

    The man recruited to be a suicide bomber changed his mind at the last minute and was later captured by the Afghan intelligence service.

    But his story is consistent with a mass of intelligence which has convinced the Americans that, as they suspected, for the last decade Pakistan has been secretly arming and supporting the Taliban in its attempt to regain control of Afghanistan.

    These suspicions started as early as 2002, when the Taliban began launching attacks across the border from their bases in Pakistan, but they became more widely held after 2006 when the Taliban's assault increased in its ferocity, not least against the ill-prepared British forces in Helmand province.

    The final turning point in American eyes was the attack on Mumbai when 10 gunmen rampaged through the Indian city, killing 170 people - two weeks after Barack Obama's US presidential election victory in November 2008.

    Despite Pakistan claiming it played no part in the attack, the CIA later received intelligence that it said showed the ISI were directly involved in training the Mumbai gunmen.

    President Obama ordered a review of all intelligence on the region by a veteran CIA officer, Bruce Riedel.

    Taliban commander Najib says he was trained by Pakistan military intelligence

    "Our own intelligence was unequivocal," says Riedel. "In Afghanistan we saw an insurgency that was not only getting passive support from the Pakistani army and the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI, but getting active support."
    Training and supplies

    Pakistan has repeatedly denied the claims. But the BBC documentary series Secret Pakistan has spoken to a number of middle-ranking - and still active - Taliban commanders who provide detailed evidence of how the Pakistan ISI has rebuilt, trained and supported the Taliban throughout its war on the US in Afghanistan.

    "For a fighter there are two important things - supplies and a place to hide," said one Taliban commander, who fights under the name Mullah Qaseem. "Pakistan plays a significant role. First they support us by providing a place to hide which is really important. Secondly, they provide us with weapons."

    Another commander, Najib, says: "Because Obama put more troops into Afghanistan and increased operations here, so Pakistan's support for us increased as well."

    He says his militia received a supply truck with "500 landmines with remote controls, 20 rocket-propelled grenade launchers with 2000 to 3000 grenades... AK-47s, machine-guns and rockets".


    Evidence of Pakistan's support for the Taliban is also plain to see at the border where insurgents are allowed to cross at will, or even helped to evade US patrols.

    And the recent drone attacks in Pakistan have become increasingly effective as intelligence has been withheld from the Pakistanis, claims Mr Riedel.

    "At the beginning of the drone operations, we gave Pakistan an advance tip-off of where we were going, and every single time the target wasn't there anymore. You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to put the dots together."

    Osama Bin Laden's capture and killing followed this same model - the Americans acting on their own, to the humiliation of Pakistan. Trust between the two supposed allies has never been lower.

    Bin Laden was the reason America had attacked Afghanistan and overthrown the Taliban who had always refused to hand him over. His death has removed a major obstacle to peace.

    Peace talks

    But those who claim that Pakistan's hidden hand has shaped the conflict fear the same is now true of the negotiations for peace. Last year, in the Pakistani city of Karachi, Mullah Baradar, the Taliban's second-in-command, was captured by the ISI.

    Secretly, Baradar had made contact with the Afghan government to discuss a deal that would end the war. He had done so without the ISI's permission and he was detained "to bring him back under control" according to one British diplomat.

    More recently, Hawa Nooristani, a member of Afghanistan's High Peace Council, says she was called to a secret meeting.

    Waiting for her was a commander from the most lethal faction of the Taliban, the Haqqani network, which first brought suicide bombing to Afghanistan. To her astonishment he said he wanted peace talks.

    "He said it was vital Pakistan intelligence knew nothing of the meeting. He said not to disclose it because Pakistan does not want peace with Afghanistan and even now they are training new Taliban units.

    "He was also scared that the Pakistanis will arrest him because he lives in Pakistan and he said it would be easy for them to arrest him."
    Former Afghan President Rabbani Talks with the Taliban collapsed after the killing of former President Rabbani

    The Afghan government began peace talks with the Taliban but these were abandoned after its chief negotiator, former President Rabbani, was killed by a suicide bomber purporting to be a Taliban envoy.

    Any future peace will have to be concluded with Pakistan President Karzai has since declared

    To American policy advisers like Bruce Riedel, the message is clear:

    "The ISI may not be able to deliver the Taliban to the negotiating table, but they can certainly spoil any negotiations process. So far, there's very little sign, that I've seen, that Pakistan is interested in a political deal."

    While denying links to the Taliban, Pakistan insists that it is doing no more than what any country would do in similar circumstances.

    "We cannot disregard our long term interest because this is our own area," said General Athar Abbas, chief spokesman for Pakistan's military.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said during a recent visit to Pakistan: "The Pakistanis have a role to play, they can either be helpful, indifferent or harmful."

    But there are those like Mr Riedel who fear that the forces unleashed in 10 years of war may yet come to haunt the whole world:

    "There is probably no worse nightmare, for America, for Europe, for the world, in the 21st Century than if Pakistan gets out of control under the influence of extremist Islamic forces, armed with nuclear weapons...The stakes here are huge."

    What happens in Pakistan may yet be the most enduring legacy of 9/11 and the hunt for Bin Laden.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15445047


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #1 - October 27, 2011, 11:13 AM

    oh what a tangled web that has been woven!

    Comment on first video:

    So ultimately, its pakistan's obsession with India
    that was the cause for alliance with the Taliban?

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #2 - October 27, 2011, 11:44 AM

    Can't wait to go home and watch this.

    FUCK PAKISTAN


    Agreed.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #3 - October 27, 2011, 12:45 PM

    oh what a tangled web that has been woven!

    Comment on first video:

    So ultimately, its pakistan's obsession with India
    that was the cause for alliance with the Taliban?


    Yes. Pakistan would back anyone that's anti-India. I wouldn't call it an "obsession" with India because Indian military men have made rather aggressive statements in the past but its an exaggerated threat and is used as an 'excuse' to develop more missiles  
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #4 - October 27, 2011, 02:24 PM

    Agreed.



    Love Pakistanis

    Hate Extremism






    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #5 - October 27, 2011, 02:58 PM

    That reminds me- I've got this recorded on the Sky + box. Gona go watch it on the big screen.

    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #6 - October 27, 2011, 03:05 PM


    Love Pakistanis
    I Hate Pakistanis Extremism


    wink wink nudge nudge Wink  Afro  whistling2

    I get it  cool2

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  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #7 - October 27, 2011, 07:33 PM


    Just finished watching it in full.

    My advice, watch it in full.

    America has been played like a fiddle with such ease for so long. Played for saps, laughing at you behind your backs.


     

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #8 - October 27, 2011, 07:40 PM


    There's an excerpt from a shaheedi propaganda video here which will stay with me for some time. A boy who looks about 12 years old is being hugged by bearded mujahids. He is smiling, looking in awe, carrying prayer beads. The mujahids are smiling. They hug him, see him into a car, and he drives off, smiling, waving at them. Then from a distance the car explodes on a road next to another vehicle.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #9 - October 27, 2011, 07:43 PM

    There's an excerpt from a shaheedi propaganda video here which will stay with me for some time. A boy who looks about 12 years old is being hugged by bearded mujahids. He is smiling, looking in awe, carrying prayer beads. The mujahids are smiling. They hug him, see him into a car, and he drives off, smiling, waving at them. Then from a distance the car explodes on a road next to another vehicle.


    Yeah, pretty depressing scene. :(

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  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #10 - October 27, 2011, 07:57 PM

    There's an excerpt from a shaheedi propaganda video here which will stay with me for some time. A boy who looks about 12 years old is being hugged by bearded mujahids. He is smiling, looking in awe, carrying prayer beads. The mujahids are smiling. They hug him, see him into a car, and he drives off, smiling, waving at them. Then from a distance the car explodes on a road next to another vehicle.


    yeah... fucking sad  D:  they would never get in the car themselves, but who screams
    allahu akbar the loudest?   D:  wonder how long it took to groom him to do that.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #11 - October 27, 2011, 08:40 PM

    The Pakistanis aren't the only ones that have been doing the "playing". They've learned extensively from the US in these kinds of matters.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #12 - October 28, 2011, 12:00 PM

    I miss my Fuck Pakistan thread Cry

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #13 - October 28, 2011, 12:08 PM

    Step down Zardari and hand over your money otherwise we will hang you here, cried Shahbaz Sharif,  says news



    Quote
    LAHORE: More than 30,000 supporters of Pakistan’s main opposition party took to the streets in a protest rally Friday, burning an effigy of President Asif Ali Zardari and demanding that he quit.
    ..............................
    Party faithful denounced corruption and widespread power cuts, calling on the 56-year-old president, to step down before the government’s five-year mandate expires in 2013..........“Go Zardari, go corruption, go load shedding,” they chanted, in reference to the crippling power cuts that blight homes and businesses in much of Pakistan.

    Lahore, with a population of eight million, is Pakistan’s second-biggest city and the capital of the most populous province Punjab, which commands the greatest number of seats in the national parliament. That makes it bitterly contested territory where opposition leaders are targeting the unpopular Zardari and trying to whip up future votes.

    They are looking to exploit disillusionment with the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) which swept to power in February 2008, two months after Zardari’s wife, ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto, was assassinated.

    “Step down Zardari and hand over your money otherwise we will hang you here,” cried Shahbaz Sharif, chief minister of Punjab, addressing the crowd.

    His brother, party leader Nawaz, did not attend because he was in Turkey.

    ..............

    Some of these fools who are in politics for a long time should know how to speak to frustrated rowdy crowd. How can you say "HANG TO AN ASSEMBLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN"?? ..

    Fool.. Lucky you guys escaped Mr. Musharraf.. he would have literally hanged you guys the way Zia Hanged Elected Prime minister Mr.   Bhutto

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #14 - October 28, 2011, 12:51 PM

    Holi In Karachi...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iARjGUwslTs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=BIjtfKKrSyg


    Holli Celebration-Package Lahore
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDYadvtJYGo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLbCBZkzMJs

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan'
     Reply #15 - October 28, 2011, 03:16 PM

    Pakistan has been accused of playing a double game, acting as America's ally in public while secretly training and arming its enemy in Afghanistan............................

    "In Afghanistan we saw an insurgency that was not only getting passive support from the Pakistani army and the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI, but getting active support?

    Not exactly news. Grin

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #16 - November 03, 2011, 09:21 AM


    bump


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #17 - November 03, 2011, 11:02 AM

    Gotta watch this tonite. Thanks Billy!  Afro

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #18 - November 03, 2011, 02:16 PM

    thank you billy, for posting the second half.
    Very sobering, but very interesting as well.

    Wish I knew what people like you and I could
    do to stop the killing--of everyone!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #19 - November 04, 2011, 09:32 AM

    Coincidentally the Pakistani ambassador to the US is called Haqqani  Cheesy
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #20 - November 29, 2011, 11:22 PM

    BBC World News blocked in Pakistan
    Beatrice Woolf
    The Guardian, Wednesday 30 November 2011
    Quote
    The BBC's World News has been taken off the air in Pakistan after broadcasting a documentary that was deemed to be critical of the country. Secret Pakistan, which was screened last Wednesday, explored accusations by CIA officials and western diplomats that Pakistan was failing to meet its commitments in the "war on terror". Khalid Arain, president of the country's cable TV association, said operators had blocked the BBC service as a result.


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #21 - November 30, 2011, 01:10 AM

    Where in the World is Freedom of the Press?

    Certainly not in Pakistan, one feels.  wacko

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: BBC documentary - 'Secret Pakistan' *part 2 updated*
     Reply #22 - November 30, 2011, 05:12 AM

    BBC World News blocked in Pakistan
    Beatrice Woolf
    The Guardian, Wednesday 30 November 2011

    ..Hmm good news ..good news everywhere..

    Pakistan may summon BBC as news channel blocked

    Jamaatud Dawa vows to make Pakistan a Taliban state




    Quote
    LAHORE:

    Quote
    Jamaatud Dawa (JD) has vowed to convert Pakistan into a Taliban state and to train young people to wage jihad against America and India, in the latest rally by the outlawed group here in the city.

    JD activists as well as school children as young as 10 from various districts were brought to the Lahore Press Club in buses and vans for the ‘Talaba Jamaatud Dawa’ (Jamaatud Dawa Students) protest against the Nato attack that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

    Students aged 10 to 15 from Jhumra Sandal Islamic School, Faisalabad, and Tameer-i-Seerat Model School Sharaqpur, Sheikhupura, said that they had thought they were going to a science exhibition and that’s what they had told their parents.


    One student from Sandal Islamic School gave this correspondent a form titled ‘Field Trip Permission’ that was signed by his mother. “Dear Parent or Guardian,” it reads. “Your child is going on a field trip. Please read the information at the top of this form, then sign and return the permission slip at the bottom of this form.” It goes on to say that the students would be taken to a science exhibition at Al-Mizan School, Faisalabad, and they would be back by 3pm. The protest did not end till 4:20 pm, when the participants got back in the vans and buses and drove to Nasser Bagh.

    Speeches

    Addressing the rally at the Press Club, JD leader Maulana Ameer Hamza said the army chief should know that he had the full support of the JD, which would turn its followers into skilled fighters. “JD will make all of its fighters into Taliban. There will be Taliban in Punjab University, in Government College, in Agriculture University Faisalabad,” he said.

    Hamza demanded that the government must kick the Americans out of not just Shamsi airbase, but Shahbaz airbase as well, otherwise the JD would do so itself.

    JD leader Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki said Allah wanted them to get revenge from Christians and Americans. “We will kill Americans,” he said, adding that JD had trained hundreds of thousands of people for jihad.

    He said the attack on the Pakistani check posts was intentional and an act of war against Pakistan.

    He said it was the 32nd attack by US forces on Pakistan. “If the government does not get revenge from the US, we will,” he said.
     

    JD leader Hafiz Saifullah Mansoor said they would kill 100 Americans for every Muslim killed. “Thousands of fighters are ready and waiting for a call from our leader Hafiz Saeed,” he said.

    Abdullah Gul, son of former ISI chief Gen (retired) Hameed Gul, said it was time to “complete the revolution”. He said the people of Pakistan aspired to wage jihad and it was time to take up the sword,” he said. Jamaat-i-Islami Lahore Ameer Ameerul Azeem said Nato forces had reminded them all of the many wounds the country has suffered at the hands of America. He said Nato leaders were lying when they said the attacks were unintentional.

    look at the plan  of these Baboons., they pull children out of school for science field trips and take them to these baboon meeting  to infuriate and indoctrinate 10 year olds..

    Now here is the new SUN.... son of former ISI chief Gen (retired) Hameed Gul

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRu2K-FaThY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nffSKEA8Qmg


    Hmmmm... where is Son of General Zia??

    Azaan Tv   is one of most popular Channels of Pakistan....  and what you see in it is SUNS and BABOONS

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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