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  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     OP - November 28, 2011, 03:08 PM
    I woke up this morning to see that Yusuf "Somalian's bodies are just sticky clay" Chambers from iERA had posted on my facebook wall challenging me to explain what atheism offers over Islam.

    I responded, explaining how it gives one the freedom to change something when it is identified as not working very well rather than having to pretend there is a higher purpose that we cannot understand and that "Allah knows best."  I also pointed out that the "consistency" of Islamic law is a problem, because the bad parts will remain consistently bad unless Allah himself comes to Earth to change them....because Muhammad said there would be no more messengers.  Finally I finished with this:

    Quote from: TheRationalizer
    Mr Chambers, I have an excellent idea!

    You would like to know what atheism has to offer and why it is a better alternative. You have directed people here to ask all about it too.

    So, I think I should have you as a special guest on The Jinn And Tonic Show this Saturday (3rd) at 21:00GMT and we can cover every question you have and you can put across every counter point you have.

    I am sure you are up to the task....aren't you?


    I popped out to the bank, and when I returned he had deleted the entire wall post.  So out of the blue he challenged me, and then when I accepted not only did he run away but he also deleted the evidence to pretend it had never happened.

    He has really made me chuckle Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #1 - November 28, 2011, 03:32 PM
    He is just following a long illustrious tradition for these people issuing challenges, hoping they will be declined or postponed in an effort to provide some ammunition for a cheapshot at your legitimacy in your refutations of their work.
    I've been driven mad trying to prove my sanity
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #2 - November 28, 2011, 04:20 PM

    What a scaredy cat.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #3 - November 28, 2011, 04:37 PM
    Yusuf Chambers should stick to what he's good at.  Getting money out of the ummah.

    "Think of the reward my dear Muslims... may Allah grant you a place in jannah.... £1000?  Do I hear £1000?..."
    .
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #4 - November 28, 2011, 08:49 PM
    Atheism offers nothing.

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #5 - November 28, 2011, 09:04 PM
    Quote from: Gladfly on November 28, 2011, 08:49 PM
    Atheism offers nothing.


    No, it offers nothing more than freedom to think.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #6 - November 28, 2011, 09:14 PM
    Atheism is non belief in Gods.

    In itself it offers nothing
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #7 - November 28, 2011, 10:11 PM
    ^Atheism is not expected to offer anything. It should be the default, although many tend to think it's special.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #8 - November 28, 2011, 10:16 PM
    It does offer something.  It offers you the freedom to think what you want to think without fear.  It offers you the freedom to try alternative solutions to problems without the fear that you will be tortured endlessly.  It offers you the potential freedom to say something isn't working without people around you being horrified at the mere suggestion that their current system is imperfect.

    It offers you the removal of constraints of a 7th century culture.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #9 - November 28, 2011, 10:21 PM

    Beautifully said mate.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #10 - November 28, 2011, 10:26 PM
    It also affords you the opportunity to take responsibility for your
    own damned self.    Think of ALL the bad shit that has happened in
    history in the name of god.  ANY god.  Beheadings, limbs chopped
    off, stoned to death, lashings, crucified, being ostercized from communities
    and families, death threats, hatred, tribalism, WAR... the list goes on. Yeah,
    god has alot to offer, and to top that off, no matter how devout you
    are, no matter how many heart wrenching sacrifices you make,
    you STILL can wind up in enternal damnation!  

    no thanks... I rather take responsibility for my own actions, or lack thereof.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #11 - November 28, 2011, 10:33 PM
    As well as a more mature attitude to life. As you ^ said, you take responsibility for your own actions. I see it as freeing yourself from believing that some non–existent father figure is looking out for you, and having to approach life as an adult instead. Scary. But good.
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #12 - March 10, 2013, 08:28 PM
    i had a chat with him on facebook yesterday night

    me
    bless your cottons socks for the god of the gaps argument
    appealing to a mystery to answer a erm...... mystery...... love the circular conjecture chambers

    Yusuf Chambers
    Mystery. Love. Can you observe these things? Lol
    Where you there today?
    Were

    me
    you're conflating two different things
    logical fallacy of false equivalence
    nope i heard there was some gender apartheid, wouldn't expect that in the uk in 2013

    Yusuf Chambers
    Krauss mentioned that people should speak English. I agree
    Makes things easier for the likes of the other 99 percent Lets put things in real terms.

    me
    ok you compared an objective claim ie a supernatural deity to a subjective feeling ie love hence why your argument is a false comparison and entirely fallacious

    Yusuf Chambers
    Some women don't want to mix. That's their choice
    Some want to wear more cloths some less. That's their choice. Right?

    me
    yes, people can wear more/less.....would u also support a womans right to wear a knee length skirt in saudi ?
    as ur a great supporter of womens rights Smiley

    Yusuf Chambers
    If gaps appear then we should look at the first cause
    What's Saudi got to do this this though?
    Lets talk about women's rights in Britain

    me
    lol answer the question with a straight yes/no please
    i got no time for evasiveness

    i asked u a question relating to womens rights in saudi, as u said u support the right of women to wear less/more.. so i was curious as to whether u think those rights should be applied globally..

    Yusuf Chambers
    Yes. No.
    Yes in Saudi no in Islamic state
    Yes, they should be allowed, but be educated to make that decision. In the west they are taught to dress for men

    me
    so according to ure interpretation of islam, the islamic state should intefer with a womens choice of garments

    Yusuf Chambers
    Do Muslim women have the right to wear nikab in all countries?

    me
    no thats completely covering, we are shifting topics again as a red herring..
    we are talking about slightly less/more not entire nudity or entire covering
    i wouldnt mind women wearing a niqab, the problem arises when you got into a gold shop or a bank with your face covered whether its a balaclava or niqab
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #13 - August 18, 2013, 02:24 PM
    Always with the evasiveness and definition–tampering…
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #14 - August 21, 2013, 03:40 AM
    Honestly when I read this line

    "In the west they are taught to dress for men"

    I somehow replaced west with Islam and it read the same.
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #15 - August 21, 2013, 05:10 AM
    Same old tired argument. Snore.

    He's implying that if women were given a choice, they would naturally choose the hijab because in the West, we're *forced* to dress in mini skirts for the appeasement of men.  mysmilie_977
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #16 - August 21, 2013, 09:37 PM
    That's why I never see women wearing long skirts or jeans or anything then. Idiot.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #17 - August 21, 2013, 09:50 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8AeWsCUPlE

    "It is not me who is speaking to you but Prophet Muhammad"  says Yusuf Chambers

    http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/1740-another-yusuf-to-islam

    that is Yusuf Chambers story., well i guess Yusuf Islam is no more charming, So this is new Yusuf. My only hope is they don't fight with each other.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #18 - August 21, 2013, 09:51 PM
    I thought channelling spirits was considered evil in islam? Otherwise, yes it is you speaking.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #19 - August 21, 2013, 09:52 PM
    Whilst we are on the subject of conversations with iERA chumps, here is my conversation with the very talkative Adnan Rashid:

    Me: Why do Muslims let you, and even encourage you, to represent their religion? Don't you have any idea how silly you make it appear to be?

    Adnan Rashid:  Smiley
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #20 - August 21, 2013, 09:55 PM
     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #21 - August 21, 2013, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: Crunchy Cds on August 21, 2013, 03:40 AM
    Honestly when I read this line

    "In the west they are taught to dress for men"

    I somehow replaced west with Islam and it read the same.


    You would be correct both times you said it. whistling2
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #22 - August 21, 2013, 10:48 PM
    Not really, you'd have a point sometimes with dates and trying to impress but not generally.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #23 - August 21, 2013, 11:21 PM
    I am sure there are  nuances of modest dress throughout the muslim world also, albeit this side of very conservative/conservative. Yes women dress for comfort and protection and many many dress responsibly and sensibly but don't ya think that Disney/MTV/Media/Porn sorta 'grooms' most of us incidentally but young girls the most (maybe unintentionally)- into capitalising on their sexual worth/erotic value at the earliest possible times.

    Not saying every female is the same. Sure they will say they dress for job or to impress their girlfriends, or for themselves when they go out, maybe in this case getting male attention is a good/bad by-product. But take tattoos, some people who have them done, say I have done it for myself, not for other people to see, so those tattoos found on the lower back of some females (you think gay men who are playing bottom also have tattoos there?), who is gonna see them, certainly ain't the person wearing it.

    Burkhas sexualise too but do so in  the opposite spectrum. I suppose all clothing sexualises - if you only cover your bits and tits (if female)you are sexualising them. Go around nude lol but that has its own inherent problems.

    Imo a balance which is achieved simply by dressing responsibily and sensibily especially if you are young person.

     
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #24 - August 22, 2013, 12:20 AM
    Dress can depend on the situation. You aren't going to dress the same for a job interview as you would a night on the town, or dress for a funeral the same as you would lounging around the house.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #25 - August 22, 2013, 11:33 AM
    ^ So THAT’S the mistake I’ve been making…
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #26 - August 27, 2013, 09:37 AM
    hold up somalis sticky clay?  when did he make that comment and where?
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #27 - December 29, 2014, 08:07 AM
    Basically he said iERA was more deserving of money than a starving Somali because starving Somalis are just clay therefore you should pay for Hamza and co to fly around the world rather than buy a sandwich for a starving Somali because humans are only clay but the soul will go forever to jannah or jahannam. It wasn't anti Somali, just anti human.

    The Rationalizer phoned into the show and pointed out that if you buy a starving person food and islam is right you'll get allah points for a good deed and save someone's life, and if islam is wrong you'll have done a good deed and saved someone's life.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Yusuf Chambers, challenged me then deleted the evidence!
     Reply #28 - December 29, 2014, 12:45 PM
    The video is here http://vimeo.com/27686437
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