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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #420 - August 13, 2011, 04:17 PM
    Actually he was challenged but not strongly enough. Frankly he is a lunatic and I'm astonished by the things he came out with - especially as I have seen him before and didn't think he was such a nutcase.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #421 - August 13, 2011, 04:17 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on August 13, 2011, 04:17 PM
    He was challenged...


    Yes - sorry - I just watched the whole clip.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #422 - August 13, 2011, 04:26 PM
    I'd be curious to see the BBC's coverage from the 1981 riots and see how it stacks up.

    There's a pretty standard response from the establishment press and talking heads when this kind of thing happens in terms of who to assign blame to:

    1. The government/society for being soft on crime
    2. The government/society for being too generous in welfare benefits
    3. Leftists/liberals/communists
    4. The inferior culture of poor people
    5. The inferior culture of (insert ethnic or immigrant group here)
    6. General moral decay, loss of "traditional [read: socially-conservative] values" (often including religion)

    A lot of the shit I'm reading about the riots (including in this very thread) is all utterly predictable right-wing propaganda.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #423 - August 13, 2011, 04:38 PM
    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 13, 2011, 04:26 PM


    A lot of the shit I'm reading about the riots (including in this very thread




    Pot, meet fucking kettle x a fucking million
    Biggest pile of stupid shit I ever heard always seems to stem from a Q-man account.. seems the subject at hand doesn't alter the level of crap that comes out either.


    'look at me! if you don't agree with my erroneous and highly questionable troll comments, then you're all right wing zionists.'
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #424 - August 13, 2011, 04:41 PM
    Awwwww...is mighty_cats upset? Would it upset him more if I dredged up the posts where he was arguing in favor of the intellectual inferiority of Black folks?
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #425 - August 13, 2011, 04:42 PM
    popcorn
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #426 - August 13, 2011, 04:45 PM
    awww, does someone like taking things out of context and creating poisoning-the-well fallacies to support their position as usual? bless...  yes

    On the account of dredging things up, perhaps you could drag up some kind of an argument that doesn't appear to be shat-out by a 6 year old deluded pseudo-neo-left winger, I always admire originality, you should try it some time.  Smiley
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #427 - August 13, 2011, 04:48 PM
    Well I don't see how it's poisoning the well when I'm simply responding to one ad-hominem attack with another one.

    I just wanted to call you out for being the racist you are is all. As osmanthus would say...hey, ho.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #428 - August 13, 2011, 04:50 PM
    yes yes, we're all racist, right wing zionists. How many fit that criteria on the forum now Raccoon? 12? 15? or is it just everyone who questions your judgement on any position on any subject?


    'high octane is cheering the tank in this pic'

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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #429 - August 13, 2011, 05:04 PM
    Nah, there are only a very few people I'd put in that category, and as far as I can tell you're WAY more racist than HO. Though I do think HO can be a bit racist/bigoted, that's not my primary complaint with him-- however it is my primary complaint with you. In fact, now that DH isn't here I'd be hard-pressed to think of anyone here who's on your level of racism/bigotry. I think even arthur may be less racist than you, as although I've heard him say many questionable and bigoted things bordering on the fascist, I've never seen him do like you and actually argue certain races are inferior to others. But I see I'm on ignore now, which was also predictable-- oh well.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #430 - August 13, 2011, 06:02 PM
    Basically the police had their hands tied, I wish all the riots get arrested and put in cages no freedom to these animals!
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #431 - August 13, 2011, 06:17 PM
    It's always the shitty poor people causing trouble and attacking businesses. If they did that in any communist country they'd be machine gunned down. Anyone who thinks Communism is a good idea has a complete disconnect with reality. Democracy and Capitalism superseded Communism and Socialism.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #432 - August 13, 2011, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 13, 2011, 05:04 PM
    Nah, there are only a very few people I'd put in that category, and as far as I can tell you're WAY more racist than HO. Though I do think HO can be a bit racist/bigoted, that's not my primary complaint with him-- however it is my primary complaint with you. In fact, now that DH isn't here I'd be hard-pressed to think of anyone here who's on your level of racism/bigotry. I think even arthur may be less racist than you, as although I've heard him say many questionable and bigoted things bordering on the fascist, I've never seen him do like you and actually argue certain races are inferior to others. But I see I'm on ignore now, which was also predictable-- oh well.


    All people are equal mate. It's fanatical belief systems I'm against.

    Arthur.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #433 - August 13, 2011, 06:26 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 13, 2011, 04:17 PM
    Frankly he is a lunatic and I'm astonished by the things he came out with - especially as I have seen him before and didn't think he was such a nutcase.

    David Starkey is a lunatic and a nutcase? Granted he was oversimplifying and essentializing things a whole lot in that clip. But I don't think that he is a genuine racist, much less a lunatic.
    How familiar are you with his wider narrative, Hassan?
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #434 - August 13, 2011, 06:29 PM
    Only seen him a couple of times on TV and quite liked him - which made me all the more shocked with what he was saying.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #435 - August 13, 2011, 06:40 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on August 13, 2011, 06:26 PM
    David Starkey is a lunatic and a nutcase? Granted he was oversimplifying and essentializing things a whole lot in that clip. But I don't think that he is a genuine racist, much less a lunatic.
    How familiar are you with his wider narrative, Hassan?


    What's a "genuine racist"? Regardless of his "wider narrative" what I saw in that clip was a cranky old White limey blaming the riots on racial stereotypes. Not a lunatic nor a raving race warrior, just a cranky, prejudiced old man spouting the typical conservative, bigoted bullshit one hears during such rioting. Nick Griffin he ain't, but more like an utterly predictable and bigoted conservative talking head.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #436 - August 13, 2011, 06:59 PM
    Starkey is a contrarian and as such loves controversy.
    I do agree that his argument did come across as much too simplistic because he essentialized both 'black' and 'white' culture.
    But he wasn't talking about skin colour.

    He was criticizing a particular form of 'black' subculture - "the violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture" which is not synonymous with general 'black' culture - not that I am arguing that
    there is such a thing as 'black' culture per se. Culture is individual and idiosyncratic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUODVXIIKwQ
    @5:58 - 6:42
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #437 - August 13, 2011, 07:06 PM
    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 13, 2011, 06:40 PM
    What's a "genuine racist"?

    A genuine racist is somebody who believes that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 13, 2011, 06:40 PM
    Regardless of his "wider narrative" what I saw in that clip was a cranky old White limey blaming the riots on racial stereotypes.

    He was 'blaming it' on cultural stereotypes. Not saying that he was right in doing that either. What he was basically saying is that 'gang culture' is to be blamed for the riots.
    Simplistic? Yes. One-sided? Undoubtedly. Does that make him a racist. Imo - no.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #438 - August 13, 2011, 07:11 PM
    Well put Kenan, thanks for the video - sad to watch.
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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #439 - August 13, 2011, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 12, 2011, 12:24 AM
    What pisses me off though is that the opportunistic, thieving asshole scumbags who don't give a shit about anything or anyone in the right class get to rule over everyone with hardly a peep from their socially-controlled slaves in the middle and working-classes, but when it comes to opportunistic, thieving asshole scumbags who don't give a shit about anything or anyone in the lower classes, people start foaming at the fuckin mouth and calling for blood to be shed by the agents of the ruling class opportunistic, thieving asshole scumbags who don't give a shit about anything or anyone.

    That is because systemic violence is mostly invisible.
    It is seen as 'normal', 'peaceful' state of things. It is a zero level standard against which objective violence such as violence of these riots are perceived as subjectively violent.
    Systemic violence is not perceived as subjectively violent hence most do not see it as problematic regardless of the fact that it has to be taken into account if one is to make sense of such 'irrational' outbursts as we have witnessed.

    Good job in pointing out the culpability of the systemic violence in all this mess, Q.  Afro
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #440 - August 13, 2011, 08:11 PM
    double post
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #441 - August 13, 2011, 08:43 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on August 13, 2011, 07:06 PM
    A genuine racist is somebody who believes that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
    He was 'blaming it' on cultural stereotypes. Not saying that he was right in doing that either. What he was basically saying is that 'gang culture' is to be blamed for the riots.
    Simplistic? Yes. One-sided? Undoubtedly. Does that make him a racist. Imo - no.


    How bout a crotchety old conservative fuck indulging in ethnic stereotypes that make him sound like a fucking racist? That better?

    Quote from: Kenan on August 13, 2011, 07:29 PM
    That is because systemic violence is mostly invisible.
    It is seen as 'normal', 'peaceful' state of things. It is a zero level standard against which objective violence such as violence of these riots are perceived as subjectively violent.
    Systemic violence is not perceived as subjectively violent hence most do not see it as problematic regardless of the fact that it has to be taken into account if one is to make sense of such 'irrational' outbursts as we have witnessed.


    True.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #442 - August 13, 2011, 09:22 PM
    Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 13, 2011, 08:43 PM
    How bout a crotchety old conservative fuck indulging in ethnic stereotypes that make him sound like a fucking racist? That better?

     Cheesy
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #443 - August 14, 2011, 12:46 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqvy4KERt0&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKDFjxXVFrk
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #444 - August 14, 2011, 02:43 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on August 13, 2011, 07:29 PM
    That is because systemic violence is mostly invisible.
    It is seen as 'normal', 'peaceful' state of things. It is a zero level standard against which objective violence such as violence of these riots are perceived as subjectively violent.
    Systemic violence is not perceived as subjectively violent hence most do not see it as problematic regardless of the fact that it has to be taken into account if one is to make sense of such 'irrational' outbursts as we have witnessed.

    Good job in pointing out the culpability of the systemic violence in all this mess, Q.  Afro

    Yes, but there is a complete difference between the sort of ‘violence’ that, for example, inflates the price of petrol, and the kind of violence that will get you killed by looting mobsters.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #445 - August 14, 2011, 02:48 AM
    which is?
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #446 - August 14, 2011, 07:57 AM
    Quote from: Kodanshi on August 14, 2011, 02:43 AM
    Yes, but there is a complete difference between the sort of ‘violence’ that, for example, inflates the price of petrol, and the kind of violence that will get you killed by looting mobsters.

    Of course they are different. One is a direct, physical violence enacted by individuals. The other is the invisible background of systemic violence which can turn physical but is usually more subtle and includes forms of coercion that sustain relations of dominance and exploitation and include threat of real violence in case one 'misbehaves'.

    Like Q said, pretty much everybody is almost exclusively focused on the former while ignoring the latter.

    During WW2 a German officer visited Picasso in his Paris studio where he saw Guernica and apparently shocked at at the modernist 'chaos' of the painting asked Picasso: "Did you do this?"
    Picasso replied: "No, you did this!"
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #447 - August 14, 2011, 09:47 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on August 14, 2011, 02:48 AM
    During WW2 a German officer visited Picasso in his Paris studio where he saw Guernica and apparently shocked at at the modernist 'chaos' of the painting asked Picasso: "Did you do this?"
    Picasso replied: "No, you did this!"


    That is magnificent! Another reason to add to my justification for having ½ of Pablo Picasso’s face as my facebook pic profile Afro.

    And yes, I understand your point.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #448 - August 14, 2011, 11:06 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on August 13, 2011, 12:22 PM
    Whoa!
    'The whites have become black' says historian David Starke
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517


    Jesus!  mysmilie_977 He should have made the point that certain inner city cultures are the problem, but separate it from race. But his point appeared to be black people are violent because they are black, but whites are violent because they are copying blacks. I've read that crap on youtube comments, but it's always surprising when someone so intelligent comes out with that crap, but I doubt racism will be eradicated in my lifetime.

    Mainstream Hip hop/inner city culture of course glorifies violence and the majority of artists are black, but he seems to be oblivious to the fact that it was white-owned corporations that marketed the 'gangster' culture to sell records. Solely blaming black people for the spread of 'gangsta' culture is ignorant.   
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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #449 - August 14, 2011, 11:38 PM

    I was in Harborne today at a friends kids birthday party. Went to Summerfield park in the afternoon to take a look around the memorial rally for the 3 Pakistani lads killed in Winson Green. Walked around for a bit towards the end. A good few thousand there.  A reflective, humble atmosphere, black, white, asian, speakers from every background. Alot of unity in the air. It was important.
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